England and South Africa are the same

[kodos]

I think in the long term (after 10-15 years after retierment) guys like Hoggard,Flintoff would not be comparable to Pollock,Kallis .

Kallis would make it to any team and even at the expense of Flintoff.

Also England won in SA long back.

Steyn picked up 5 wickets in an innings.If thats not good enough then what is ???????

Also loved all your Brit jokes that Hoggard is a better bowler than Pollock.

Geez you really must hate the English cricket team

 

[ronny_kingsley]

Granted I've been drinking... but in my rather limited opinion Ronny_Kingsley posts the most rubbish on this forum Apologies mate but it is just my opinion

If a batting allrounder is more valuable than a bowling allrounder I'll eat my cricket whites, England won in SA against, for all intents and purposes exactly the team that is currently their 1st XI, Steyn picked up 5 wickets in an innings, in a 2nd innings, didn't do nowt in the 1st innings did he?

And currently Hoggard being 4th in the test rankings does actually make him a more valued bowler than Pollock, obviously through their careers Pollock is on another level, but currently I know who I'd rather have, unless I was picking based on their batting abilities

Thanks for the compliment mate.

Do whatsoever you want to but no one would pick Ponting over Bradman just because of the form that Ponting is in.

I am not comparing the 4 of them but its just for an example.

Both Kallis and Pollock have been the epitome of allrounders in the current era.

Flintoff has just about surfaced as an allrounder from the 2003-2004 season and these guys have been there for ages.

Same with Hoggard, he has done well no doubt but yet far from Pollock .

Also Pollock isn no.1 in ODI's and in top 10 for Tests.

SO ??????

 

[andrew_nixon]

Both Kallis and Pollock have been the epitome of allrounders in the current era.

Kallis: Batsman who doesn't even particulary enjoy bowling, and isn't that good at it when he does. You certainly wouldn't pick him as a bowler.

Pollock: Very inconsistent as a batsman. If he had an injury that prevented him bowling, would he still make it into the side as a batsman? Probably not.

 

[Sureshot]

I think in the long term (after 10-15 years after retierment) guys like Hoggard,Flintoff would not be comparable to Pollock,Kallis .

Kallis would make it to any team and even at the expense of Flintoff.

Also England won in SA long back.

Steyn picked up 5 wickets in an innings.If thats not good enough then what is ???????

Also loved all your Brit jokes that Hoggard is a better bowler than Pollock.

Comparing their careers, Pollock is better. But at this moment Hoggard is better. Pollock is now first change.

long back? 2 years isn't long. Same team then as we have now when fit.

Kallis is a better batsman than Flintoff, quite comfortably, he's a run machine.

But Flintoff is a 4 dimensional cricket.
Bats
Bowls
Slip Fielder
Ground Fielder

Kallis
Bats - alot better than Freddie might I add.
Bowl - Nothing more than part time, as dangerous as Colly, and their averages would suggest so in comparison over last year iirc.
Slip fielder - Yes good one.
Ground Fielder - Not known for his throwing down the stumps from the boundary.

I wouldn't like to choose If i has to pick betweem the two. but I think Freddie would offer alot more overall.

I'll say this though as all rounders, which I think is a fair statement.

Freddie has the same advantage as a bowler over Kallis, as Kallis has over Freddie in the batting department.

Fair?

 

[usy]

*gives Usy a pat on the back*

Finally someone else with a bit of sense

Thanks But "a bit sense"??, I have more then that don't I ?

 

[puddleduck]

Thanks But "a bit sense"??, I have more then that don't I ?

Dunno, your obsession with Farhat leads me to believe that "a bit" is more than enough

 

[Maxkarter]

This thread doesnt really have a base arguement anymore, mainly because to a certain extent the teams a similar. But, South Africa clearly is a better ODI squad than England is, for Tests England is better than South Africa is, and unless some changes are made in the SA camp (ie Coach) its going to stay that way for a while to come.

 

[Sureshot]

You've summed it up max.

ODIs; RSA
Tests: England