England in Australia

[Simbazz]

Monty also gets drift into the right handers and that origionates from the way he spins on his right foot before letting go of the ball.

 

[puddleduck]

Murali is a wrist spinner obviously!

Yes, Puddle, there is nothing stopping the wrist assisting the revolutions put on the ball by the fingers, but all the spin on the ball only comes from the fingers. As an off-spinner (and I like to think a succesful one ) in club cricket, I have tried bowling many times in the nets by not using the fingers and spinning the wrist. You will see if you try this that revolutions aren't put on the ball.

As an off-spinner myself, and these days not a very successful one, my action has a lot of wrist... and If I'm wearing a jumper, a lot of elbow too

Yeah even wrist spinners use their fingers to put revolutions on the ball, just watch a Warne close up, or to be fair the perfect amalgamation of the two Murali.

Monty definately does use more wrist than most finger spinners though. (just to get back it on track before we get told to get back on topic )

 

[evertonfan]

Monty also gets drift into the right handers and that origionates from the way he spins on his right foot before letting go of the ball.

Yes that's what I said; His pivot at the end of his delivery stride.

 

[Cricket_god]

Giles was succesfull in last year ashes beacause of the english fast bowlers
i also think monty is a type of bowler who cannot run through a side.If he plays also he will do a job similar to giles what i understand of england sides mentality .so its better if giles plays

 

[puddleduck]

So what exactly happened when between him and Harmison they took all wickets in the Pakistan 2nd innings? These are players that are traditionally some of the best players of spin in the world? He must have been jogging, or is it yogging? Might be a silent J.

 

[evertonfan]

i also think monty is a type of bowler who cannot run through a side.

Two 5'fers in his first 10 Tests would say otherwise...

 

[Simbazz]

Monty is the kind of bowler, looking at it as a captain, that you'd stick on one end while worrying about the other. I know that if i wanted to have a bit of stability, while trying to dry up the runs for Australia, while always looking for a wicket, Monty's the man.

I think last year showed that we need a spinner and a quick at each end, because it makes sure that they never settle, and as Australia settle, they will start to play, and harm England.

 

[Cricket_god]

Two 5'fers in his first 10 Tests would say otherwise...

i saw him in india so i tell from my point of view he may have got 2 fives but on australian pitches except adelaide i don,t see him troubling batsman.Also the five wicket hall he got as you said was due to pressure from other end by steve so paksitani batsman got rattled with pace and while trying to take on monty got out.i am not trying to say he is not good i myself think he will develop in to a world class bowler but presently giles will be a better option for england.

 

[JamesyJames3]

I think last year showed that we need a spinner and a quick at each end, because it makes sure that they never settle, and as Australia settle, they will start to play, and harm England.

This didn't happen during the 2005 Ashes. So I have to disagree. We have quality quicks who are more than capable of bowling in tandum and looking for wickets.

 

[puddleduck]

Except that in his first 10 tests, he has a better economy rate, better average, and better strike rate... In what way is Giles a better option? If Monty Jogs through teams, Giles blimin' struggles to crawl through them!

 

[Simbazz]

This didn't happen during the 2005 Ashes. So I have to disagree. We have quality quicks who are more than capable of bowling in tandum and looking for wickets.

It did, one end would be Giles and at the other would be Jones or Flintoff

 

[Cricket_god]

Except that in his first 10 tests, he has a better economy rate, better average, and better strike rate... In what way is Giles a better option? If Monty Jogs through teams, Giles blimin' struggles to crawl through them!

Giles is handy with the bat and is also a pretty steady or call it negative bowler but it works.

 

[evertonfan]

Those saying that Giles ties up an end need to watch him a bit more. There are at least two boundary balls bowled in every over by him.

It did, one end would be Giles and at the other would be Jones or Flintoff

But you were saying Giles was tying up an end. He wasn't at all; He leaked runs throughout that series.

Giles is handy with the bat and is also a pretty steady or call it negative bowler but it works.

Again, a steady bowler doesn't have a bowling average of 40.

 

[JamesyJames3]

It did, one end would be Giles and at the other would be Jones or Flintoff

Thats bollocks (exscuse my french). They never put Giles on one end throughout to hold up an end.

Jones and Flintoff more often than not bowled together, not at seperate times. Especially when the ball was reversing.

 

[Cricket_god]

Those saying that Giles ties up an end need to watch him a bit more. There are at least two boundary balls bowled in every over by him.



But you were saying Giles was tying up an end. He wasn't at all; He leaked runs throughout that series.

What i saw of him in india if controlling runs is concerned then i have to agree
he does a great job i was thinking of batting of giles which duncan thinks but if i was to choose between giles and monty i would every day choose monty onl;y on his bowling abilities and if monty improves a fielding .It will be bad if monty drops a important catch which may cost the series.