England in Australia

[evertonfan]

What i saw of him in india if controlling runs is concerned then i have to agree
he does a great job i was thinking of batting of giles which duncan thinks but if i was to choose between giles and monty i would every day choose monty onl;y on his bowling abilities and if monty improves a fielding .It will be bad if monty drops a important catch which may cost the series.

Fair point, but i'm willing to take the risk of Monty's below-par fielding skills just so we have his world class bowling. Let's face it, Giles' bowling is average to say the least.

 

[puddleduck]

No need to worry about that, our keeper will drop at least 5

 

[Cricket_god]

Those saying that Giles ties up an end need to watch him a bit more. There are at least two boundary balls bowled in every over by him.



But you were saying Giles was tying up an end. He wasn't at all; He leaked runs throughout that series.



Again, a steady bowler doesn't have a bowling average of 40.

here have a look about the best economy rates of ashes and giles dOES pretty well but monty is even better in this aspect.

2.29 (34-10-78-5) A Flintoff England v Australia at The Oval, 5th Test, 08/09/2005 [1763]
2.66 (27-5-72-2) GD McGrath Australia v England at The Oval, 5th Test, 08/09/2005 [1763]
2.94 (18-5-53-5) GD McGrath Australia v England at Lord's, 1st Test, 21/07/2005 [1756]
2.97 (33.2-5-99-4) SK Warne Australia v England at Manchester, 3rd Test, 11/08/2005 [1760]
2.97 (17.5-6-53-6) SP Jones England v Australia at Manchester, 3rd Test, 11/08/2005 [1760]
3.00 (26-2-78-3) AF Giles England v Australia at Birmingham, 2nd Test, 04/08/2005 [1758]
3.09 (15.1-5-47-3) B Lee Australia v England at Lord's, 1st Test, 21/07/2005 [1756]
3.10 (14.1-4-44-5) SP Jones England v Australia at Nottingham, 4th Test, 25/08/2005 [1762]
3.22 (31-4-100-3) AF Giles England v Australia at Manchester, 3rd Test, 11/08/2005 [1760]
3.25 (20-1-65-1) A Flintoff England v Australia at Manchester, 3rd Test, 11/08/2005 [1760]
3.25 (37.3-5-122-6) SK Warne Australia v England at The Oval, 5th Test, 08/09/2005 [1763]
3.30 (23-1-76-0) AF Giles England v Australia at The Oval, 5th Test, 08/09/2005 [1763]
3.44 (25-6-86-0) GD McGrath Australia v England at Manchester, 3rd Test, 11/08/2005 [1760]
3.46 (15-1-52-3) A Flintoff England v Australia at Birmingham, 2nd Test, 04/08/2005 [1758

1.73 (42-19-73-2) MS Panesar England v India at Nagpur, 1st Test, 01/03/2006 [1785]
1.84 (30.5-13-57-6) MJ Hoggard England v India at Nagpur, 1st Test, 01/03/2006 [1785]
2.03 (26-7-53-1) MS Panesar England v India at Mumbai, 3rd Test, 18/03/2006 [1791]
2.08 (19.1-8-40-4) JM Anderson England v India at Mumbai, 3rd Test, 18/03/2006 [1791]
2.14 (28-9-60-2) SJ Harmison England v India at Mohali, 2nd Test, 09/03/2006 [1788]
2.15 (39-7-84-1) A Kumble India v England at Mumbai, 3rd Test, 18/03/2006 [1791]
2.20 (40-13-88-1) A Kumble India v England at Nagpur, 1st Test, 01/03/2006 [1785]
2.34 (29-10-68-1) A Flintoff England v India at Nagpur, 1st Test, 01/03/2006 [1785]
2.45 (22-6-54-2) MJ Hoggard England v India at Mumbai, 3rd Test, 18/03/2006 [1791]
2.53 (28-9-71-2) IK Pathan India v England at Mohali, 2nd Test, 09/03/2006 [1788]
2.56 (29.4-8-76-5) A Kumble India v England at Mohali, 2nd Test, 09/03/2006 [1788]
2.58 (12-0-31-0) Harbhajan Singh India v England at Mohali, 2nd Test, 09/03/2006 [1788]
2.73 (34-5-93-2) Harbhajan Singh India v England at Nagpur, 1st Test, 01/03/2006 [1785]
2.77 (27-5-75-1) SJ Harmison England v India at Nagpur, 1st Test, 01/03/2006 [1785]

 

[evertonfan]

No need to worry about that, our keeper will drop at least 5

Honestly, I think Jones is going to have a fine series. You can save this post and rub it in my face if he does have a dismal tour, but I for one, think he will have a good series.

 

[puddleduck]

6 wickets for 254 runs! And an economy rate of over 3.... You are wrong Matt, he is steady, just steadily average/poor

As I said above, Monty in his first 10 tests against Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka, all excellent players of spin has better average, economy and strike rate than Giles, I don't really see how anyone other than Fletcher can think Giles is a better option.

 

[evertonfan]

6 wickets for 254 runs! And an economy rate of over 3.... You are wrong Matt, he is steady, just steadily average/poor

I wasn't calling him steady! I was saying Giles is the exact opposite!

 

[puddleduck]

I wasn't calling him steady! I was saying Giles is the exact opposite!

I know.. hence you were wrong, he is steady, just steadily poor.. read it again



Just to be fair, I do actually rate Giles fairly highly, I just don't think he should start ahead of Monty. I think Giles deserves a fair amount of credit for doing the best he could do for his country, especially considering he outperformed every other option whenever he got a chance in County Cricket. He also worked hard at his batting and his fielding so that he contributed on all three fronts, but I do feel Monty is the more attacking and more defensive option, so Giles is just the wrong option nowadays.

 

[Simbazz]

Thats bollocks (exscuse my french). They never put Giles on one end throughout to hold up an end.

You guys are mis-understanding me, or im not saying it clearly.....

Monty is the kind of bowler to occupy one end for a long spell and not give away that many runs, I know Giles leaked more runs than a faulty sink does water, but i believe that Monty, if played, will have more success if he has either Harmy, Hoggard, Jimmy/Saj or Flintoff flying in from the other.

 

[evertonfan]

I know.. hence you were wrong, he is steady, just steadily poor.. read it again

Whoops! My bad.

 

[Sureshot]

Giles was succesfull in last year ashes beacause of the english fast bowlers
i also think monty is a type of bowler who cannot run through a side.If he plays also he will do a job similar to giles what i understand of england sides mentality .so its better if giles plays

57 average is succesful ?

You guys are mis-understanding me, or im not saying it clearly.....

Monty is the kind of bowler to occupy one end for a long spell and not give away that many runs, I know Giles leaked more runs than a faulty sink does water, but i believe that Monty, if played, will have more success if he has either Harmy, Hoggard, Jimmy/Saj or Flintoff flying in from the other.

Monty tended to get better bowling out of Harmison too.

Fair point, but i'm willing to take the risk of Monty's below-par fielding skills just so we have his world class bowling. Let's face it, Giles' bowling is average to say the least.

His bowling is very good, not world class yet.

 

[woodywiss sa sa]

My after Ashes, What we need to do, because as I'm sure anybody with a Cricket brain willl agree, We should be absolueltly Carted in the Ashes although I hope we aren't.

1. Sack Fletcher
2. Get in a proper Wicket-keeper
We have over looked Jamie Foster for ages, he is probably the best gloveman in the country, definatly up there with read on this seasons performances and he has had a good year with the bat. What more do you want?
3. Must play Panesar. We simple can't go back to the days off Token bowler Giles.

 

[Stephen Bailey]

My after Ashes, What we need to do, because as I'm sure anybody with a Cricket brain willl agree, We should be absolueltly Carted in the Ashes although I hope we aren't.

I don't see why we should be 'carted' in this series. I think this series is going to be alot closer than some people think.

 

[Octavius]

On paper Australia look huge favourites, but this series will be played with plenty of heart by both sides and could be just as good as the last ashes series if England show the same fight.

The Aussies arent used to being put under pressure, usually through hard work and skill they come out on top, but a team with the right spirit and heart can really push the aussies.

I just hope its a frenetic series like the last ashes for everyones sakes.

 

[Sureshot]

We have to attack them like we did in the last series, thus the importance of playing Monty.

 

[Cricket_god]

57 average is succesful ?




Monty tended to get better bowling out of Harmison too.




His bowling is very good, not world class yet.

I meant with his ability his performance was good taking his batting and bowling in to consideration he did his job of resting the fast bowlers with out going for 4 an over.