England in Australia

irottev said:
http://wwwc3.cricinfo.com/ausveng/content/current/story/265920.html

I found this amusing.
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hahahaha yeah if we wind the clock back two seasons!

Harmison is a mere shadow of his former glory, but don't get me wrong, I'm all for him finding that star quality again, it would be great! But for me its the old adage, pick in form bowlers because you dont get second chances in these big match ups.

Brett Lee is clearly a far superior bowler. In fact i think i could name 10 bowlers easily before i'd even consider Harmison.

Even Mitchell Johnson (who is no mug in his own right) shows more promise than Harmison right now, and the aussies will be pushed to find room for him in the 11 that take the field.

I just hope England front up with the best playing 11 they have got at the time and stop living in the past, or we could be looking at 5 x 3-4 day tests.
 
I can sort of see what Shine was saying. I can also understand his reasons for saying it.

First off, discount Odi cricket because Harmy has been pants in that form for far too long now, although when his rhythm is good he is a useful Odi bowler but that seems like so long ago now that for now forget that. In test cricket however, whilst still not up there with the form he displayed 2-3 years ago, he would be one of the bowlers batsman least like to face. His steepling bounce on a quick pitch means he can hurt you, and noone likes getting hurt. His main problem really is that he is a matchwinner, yet on his bad days he doesn't fill in and do a job but instead becomes a liability.

The reason I think it was right of Shine to come out and say it, even though it's clearly not true, is that Harmy often seems a player who thrives on confidence, so to try and get him in good spirits before the 1st test in Australia could end up to his and Englands benefit, and to the detriment of Ponting, Hayden, and Langer. All three of whom received a nice welcome to England in the last Ashes from Harmison.
 
But thats when he is in rhythm, part of being the best is performing on a far more regular basis than what Harmison does. Harmison is so inconsistent day to day there is no way he should be considered the best fast bowler in the world. Dangerous, yes definitely but not the best.
 
Harmison in full flight is one the best bowlers going around and why wouldn't he be. Bit of movement, fast, tall and extracts bounce. A very dangerous trait and what McGrath is minus the pace. These type of bowlers can bowl on any pitch and still be dangerous.
 
It seems to be a common excuse from england - that their players or team are the best in the world on their day. If i were an english supporter i'd be filthy that their reputation is built on potential rather than performances.

Australia showed last ashes that they are unbelievably difficult to beat when they are having an off day and their opponents are having the day of their lives. That is the hallmark of a champion team. Winning a single series and living off it for the next 12 months, is not.
 
valvolux said:
It seems to be a common excuse from england - that their players or team are the best in the world on their day. If i were an english supporter i'd be filthy that their reputation is built on potential rather than performances.

Australia showed last ashes that they are unbelievably difficult to beat when they are having an off day and their opponents are having the day of their lives. That is the hallmark of a champion team. Winning a single series and living off it for the next 12 months, is not.
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When we have a bad day will still are hard to beat in Tests anyway.

Reputation built on potential rather than performances? Opinion null and void.
 
I think this "Best in the world, after winning one series" comes from the UK press. Its not just cricket its in all sports. A team/sportsperson wins something and the press build it up and up with their celebration stories so they can sell papers. Then when they fail next time the press run big stories about how poor they are (again so they can sell papers). Unfortunatley people believe the press and when they win something people think "Job Done" where they should be thinking "Right, lets do that again"
 
Kev said:
I think this "Best in the world, after winning one series" comes from the UK press. Its not just cricket its in all sports. A team/sportsperson wins something and the press build it up and up with their celebration stories so they can sell papers. Then when they fail next time the press run big stories about how poor they are (again so they can sell papers). Unfortunatley people believe the press and when they win something people think "Job Done" where they should be thinking "Right, lets do that again"
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That's what i'm getting at...but the players sure are running with it. For all of their dismal performances in both forms of the game since the ashes there's been a lot of "oh well it will fall in to place come November 23". What if it doesn't? What series are they going to hide behind?
 
What else do you want them to say? "Oh well I guess we're rubbish and the Ashes are a no-hoper?

Come on use your brain, all sportsmen are programmed to say the right things to the press. If you have a bad result, then you come out and say that the next series will be different. It's hardly rocket science.

Personally I didn't realise drawing a test series in India and comfortably beating Pakistan at home were dismal results but there you go :p
 
valvolux said:
That's what i'm getting at...but the players sure are running with it. For all of their dismal performances in both forms of the game since the ashes there's been a lot of "oh well it will fall in to place come November 23". What if it doesn't? What series are they going to hide behind?
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Drawing away in India and thrashing Pakistan at home, admittedly we've been poor but considering our injury problems...

I don't consider us the best, we're good and we'll put up a fight but we're the underdogs and I don't think we'll win.

I agree with Kevs post, also puddleducks post.

PS: It was you pd, yeh?
 
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Sureshot said:
Drawing away in India and thrashing Pakistan at home, admittedly we've been poor but considering our injury problems...

I don't consider us the best, we're good and we'll put up a fight but we're the underdogs and I don't think we'll win.

I agree with Kevs post, also puddleducks post.

PS: It was you pd, yeh?
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When a drawn series against mediocre opposition is considered a good result...you know you have a long way to go. If it weren't for the tampering issues, the pakistan series would've been 2-1...if it weren't for their injuries, it probably would've been 3-0..the other way round. Wake up boys your team is playing like rubbish!
 
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How is playing India in India mediocre opposition? After Australia in Australia, India in India would be the toughest tour you could play.
 
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