Exactly what I thought. I mean if the points is such that by losing Pakistan would have lost points and WI won points and only then WI could have gone through, even so, just go ahead with a tour. Or have more than one tour.
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Exactly what I thought. I mean if the points is such that by losing Pakistan would have lost points and WI won points and only then WI could have gone through, even so, just go ahead with a tour. Or have more than one tour.
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Unless I'm mistaken of how the points system works, West Indies would note gain enough or any major points to pass Pakistan in time for the cut off date by playing ZIM. They had to beat PAK if the tri-series was played or organize a series with a team in a top 8 & beat them before September 30th and win.
Seeing experts from the original article however, former president Mani makes the point that I've believed all along - The fact that Pakistan has pulled out of the tri-series is simply not cricket" : Ehsan Mani
"Mani, who is of Pakistani origin, further stated that such a revamped champions trophy that doesn’t have all the test-playing nations involved is a poor trade-off for no Test championship."
If you recall in 2013 ICC announced the Champions Trophy would be replaced by the “World Test Championship” in England 2017, followed by one in India 2021 - so that cricket’s three formats could have one showpiece tournament each.
However during last year’s much condemned “Big 3” ICC takeover by India, England & Australia, ICC Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Dave Richardson stated that the Champions trophy would be played instead, citing a struggle to find a suitable format and non commitment from broadcasters.
Essentially the ICC have created a fake crisis for the Windies because bringing back this revamped C-Trophy with just 8 teams is nonsense & shows how confused they are.[DOUBLEPOST=1440196119][/DOUBLEPOST]
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Campaigners protest against ‘death of cricket’ before fifth Ashes Test | Sport | The Guardian
The Last Post is played by a member of the Barmy Army as protesters assemble behind a wreath lamenting ‘the death of cricket’ at the Kia Oval. Photograph: Anthony Devlin/PA
The Conservative MP Damian Collins joined campaigners in a silent protest against the global governance of cricket before the final Ashes Test at the Kia Oval.
Journalists Jarrod Kimber and Sam Collins, whose recent film Death of a Gentleman critiques the work of the International Cricket Council, led a three-minute silence outside the ground on Thursday morning.
Collins, a member of the House of Commons select committee for culture, media and sport, joined the protest – which included a wreath “mourning the death of cricket as a global sport” – and a lone trumpeter playing The Last Post.
A three-minute silence followed outside the Hobbs Gates, one each for the Board of Control for Cricket in India, the England and Wales Cricket Board and CricketAustralia.
Collins said: “Thanks to the three big nations that run world cricket – England, Australia and India – who also control 52% of the game’s revenues, Test cricket is being sacrificed in favour of the short forms of the game. The other 102 countries who play the game have access to only 48% of the revenues.
“And, at a time when every other sport wants to expand, the ICC is actually shrinking the Cricket World Cup and doesn’t want to participate in the Olympics.
“What’s more, while Fifa shows how all sport needs to be wary of administrative corruption, cricket is being run without transparency, accountability or independence by individuals who have shown us time and time again why we cannot trust them to represent the sport’s best interests.”
The Last Post is played by a member of the Barmy Army as protesters assemble behind a wreath lamenting ‘the death of cricket’ at the Kia Oval. Photograph: Anthony Devlin/PA
The Conservative MP Damian Collins joined campaigners in a silent protest against the global governance of cricket before the final Ashes Test at the Kia Oval.
Journalists Jarrod Kimber and Sam Collins, whose recent film Death of a Gentleman critiques the work of the International Cricket Council, led a three-minute silence outside the ground on Thursday morning.
Collins, a member of the House of Commons select committee for culture, media and sport, joined the protest – which included a wreath “mourning the death of cricket as a global sport” – and a lone trumpeter playing The Last Post.
A three-minute silence followed outside the Hobbs Gates, one each for the Board of Control for Cricket in India, the England and Wales Cricket Board and CricketAustralia.
Collins said: “Thanks to the three big nations that run world cricket – England, Australia and India – who also control 52% of the game’s revenues, Test cricket is being sacrificed in favour of the short forms of the game. The other 102 countries who play the game have access to only 48% of the revenues.
“And, at a time when every other sport wants to expand, the ICC is actually shrinking the Cricket World Cup and doesn’t want to participate in the Olympics.
“What’s more, while Fifa shows how all sport needs to be wary of administrative corruption, cricket is being run without transparency, accountability or independence by individuals who have shown us time and time again why we cannot trust them to represent the sport’s best interests.”
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Former ICC boss incensed at Pakistan's Windies-killing u-turn
Ehsan Mani, a former International Cricket Council (ICC) president doesn't believe Pakistan is playing fair and have slammed the country's board for it.
The statements come in the wake of a situation where the West Indies and Pakistan were vying for the final spot in the eight-team Champions Trophy in 2017, with Pakistan nipping the spot after a 3-2 series win over Sri Lanka.
To make the Champions Trophy, teams have to be ranked in the top eight by September 30, 2015, but Pakistan are being accused of rigging the chase after they cancelled a tri-nation series against Zimbabwe and the West Indies once they had earned enough points to overtake them after their series against Sri Lanka.
“The fact that Pakistan has pulled out of the tri-series is simply not cricket and goes against the spirit of the game,” said Mani of the cancelled series scheduled to have been held from August 17-September 7.
Pakistan, since that time, rescheduled the dates they were available to play to September 24 - October 5.
The Pakistan team is ranked eighth with 90 points on the ICC 50 overs table, but are just two ahead of the West Indies, who are ranked ninth on 88 points.
“Unfortunately, since the ICC meddled with the binding nature of the Future Tours Programme (FTP) last year, there is no obligation on any country to stick to commitments made to tour unless these have been confirmed in a binding contact,” said Mani.
“This free for all nature of tour commitment opens it to manipulation which is exactly what has happened in this case. It also shows just how blindly the cricket boards agreed to the changes in the FTP without understanding the consequences.”
Mani's stance on the situation is made all the more interesting because he is of Pakistani descent. The former ICC president held the reigns of the international governing body of the sport from 2003-2006.
Disgusting stuff from Pakistan really. However WI dont deserve to be there in any case!
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The Champions Trophy is a bad competition that shouldn't exist, especially after the ICC's insulting decision to go to a ten team World Cup and eliminate the chances that most of the Wo. Like the only difference between the two now is that the West Indies and Zimbabwe/Ireland/Afghanistan get to play in the World Cup and not in . Its typical of the ICC though; you have an eight team Champions Trophy; and a ten team World Cup and World T20 (don't start saying that the latter is a sixteen team tournament, we all know that's a load of shit) all designed to cater for a small number of nations and leave the rest out in the cold with absolutely no chance to play the "major nations". All it'll do is shrink the sport because seeing the same eight teams playing each other repeatedly with occasional guest appearances from others is, quite frankly, boring.
And this is also why the rankings system is not a good way to do anything: especially not decide who qualifies for important ICC competitions.
And this is also why the rankings system is not a good way to do anything: especially not decide who qualifies for important ICC competitions.
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How the ACSU really works: Hell in a handcart : Wisden India
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I agree the Champs Trohpy should be more exclusive top 4 or top 6 max. Also agree that World T20 is not a real compeition. Reducing the WC to 10 teams was a shocking decision. It shoudl have gone to 16, not down to 10.
ICC has to get the associates more regular 'big cricket'. The best solution is to turn most of the bilateral series into tri-series feature associates from around the hosting nations.
i mean atleast some warm up games if not the real deal especially for 2 day / oneday games. Will actually give more exposure and coverage than actual warm ups.
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Although the headline is rough, if you read what Mani is saying he is more attacking the ICC for how they have structured the the champions trophy more so than Pakistan. The ICC nonsense really gave Pakistan no choice but to be concerned about their self interest and back out of tri-series. If it was Windies in # 8 spot, i'm sure they would have done same.
But all cricket boards as Mani stated should take blame (especially the weak financial non big 3 teams) for support the new free for all FTP structure.
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England have two teams touring them each year and each of them play at least one warm-up game against a county side: why not replace one of those with a First Class game against Ireland or Scotland? Or maybe they could ask a couple of English umpires to stand in it, play it at the Grange or Mannofield or that ground in Dublin who's name I can't spell, make them Five day games and call them "Test Matches" - might be a bit radical, but I think that it makes perfect sense! Perhaps you could extend my planned scheme to the UAE and Afghanistan, India and Nepal and the Australasian teams and Papua New Guinea...
No one cares about the Champions Trophy, they either should get rid of it, replace it with a proper World Test Championship or use the time to run Asia Cup-style tournaments worldwide...
No one cares about the Champions Trophy, they either should get rid of it, replace it with a proper World Test Championship or use the time to run Asia Cup-style tournaments worldwide...
I agree with the touring games part. Champs Trophy is a thing I like, but it should be more frequent and more exclusive. Something like hold it every year as the show piece event for say the top 4 ODI teams of the year.
As for Asia Cup, it really has no significance to us in Asia to be honest. Its like any othe tri series, and nothing more important than that. Even so if were to be held, in every continent, I don't think they would be competitive. Asia cup in theory atleast works, because Asia has three strong sides and the matches are competitive. It could really work only in Oceania. I don't see much competition elsewhere. SA would win it easily every year in Africa, England in Europe. WI in Americas.
If however it does work out then perhaps the CT could be modified to be a contest of the Champions of their respective continents. So the winners of each of the Continental Cups, then participate in the Champions Trophy. It would be even better as 'Champions' will be competing for the trophy, which right now is hardly the case.
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I would like the Champions Trophy to be top 4 associate OD teams vs the bottom 4 ODI teams, would completely change the whole tournament but could be a great way for associates to shine... But the ICC would never do such a thing...
^ Whether or not that Champions Trophy should be the one, but I do agree that the idea of a trophy between the bottom 4 ODI teams, and top 4 (or 3, or even 2), associates, definitely a good one. It would be a good trophy to have.
Also while I think that a test championship for logistical reasons may not be happening anytime soon, but an ODI championship is definitely something that could be considered. ODIs don't take that long, and over two year a 12 team ODI championship could work. While there are the WCs, but ODI Championship could also work as a yearly trophy. 10 ODI sides and 2 associates would be a good league to have.
Also while I think that a test championship for logistical reasons may not be happening anytime soon, but an ODI championship is definitely something that could be considered. ODIs don't take that long, and over two year a 12 team ODI championship could work. While there are the WCs, but ODI Championship could also work as a yearly trophy. 10 ODI sides and 2 associates would be a good league to have.
