IPL Indian player(s) accuse Buka Naan staff of discrimination (racism?)

[Howsie]

This was said to Ajit Agarkar by KKR bowling coach Andy Bichel during that Super Over match against the Royals. Agarkar was fielding- and all of a sudden he was called off by Bichel. Agarkar, surprised, went to Bichel and asked him, "Why did you do that for?" Then Bichel replied, "You bloody Indian, do as you're told." You are right Howsie, this is how a coach should behave with a player of the team. He should abuse the players, instead of giving any proper reply, if they ask him any question.

Have you ever played competitive sport before? Coaches get angry with players all the time. At school our rugby coach would go off at tiny little things like what happened to Agarkar. I remember one instance when he took of our captain and our captain wasn?t too pleased with this, he sulked all next week at training and the coach went off calling him a little so and so, it happens. So if a pro cricketer can't handle it he should not be playing in the IPL.

That's why the Indians are topping each and every chart and the highest paid foreign guys are failing miserably.

I'm talking about the no-name players.

Howsie added 6 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

And after everything, I just want to make one thing clear. I'm not trying to say that Bichel's remark was a racist remark. Yes, it had some touch of "racism", but still it was not totally that..., "racist" will be too harsh an adjective to describe it. What I'm trying to say is that- this is just not the way how a coach should behave with a player. This type of arrogance- I'm the coach, I'm the boss- I can take any decision- this is just not it. Bichel should change his rude style of speaking- that comment was actually RUDE (not racist), real rude. If you want your team to perform, then you SHOULD BEHAVE WELL WITH THE PLAYERS, behaving like this- like some mafia or whatever- this just doesn't suit a coach. No wonder KKR is failing- one day the skipper bashing the coach, the other day the coach slamming a player- it's more like a circus than a cricket team : You are a coach, you should have the patience to explain the players why you are taking any decision, this is how a team gets built up- look at the Rajasthan Royals, look at the Deccan Chargers- they also have a foreign coach and a foreign captain- but, this is the key to their success. Unity- which KKR lacks. Look at Gilly, look at Warne- how they have shaped their teams, how they always encourage the young players, how modest they are despite being the skippers of their teams. Bichel should learn some modesty from Warney and Gilly, really shocking.

Finally some since

And by the way I have seen Warne yell at his players before, and for a coach to never yell at a player would mean that the coach is pretty poor. He has to do it at some time.

 

[shravi]

Oh my god I've never heard someone say such bad things to a another human being before. If he has proof why doesn't he come out and say it, don't come out and say that a player has told you about it. It just sounds like young Indian players having a whine, oh wait am I being racist too.

Howsie added 2 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...



He wants more foreign players because the Indian players suck, if there was more foreign players other countries might actually watch this crap.

1) Just because it's bad and you've heard bad things said to people before doesn't mean you do it (or continue doing it). It's like saying because it was reported that someone on the news killed their mom, you can do it too. You are responsible for your own actions.
2) His proof is that he heard it from someone who experienced it first hand. I don't think a young, relatively unknown Indian would cry wolf as this is his only opportunity to earn this sort of money.
3) The young Indian players don't suck. The best young Indians just aren't playing or getting a fair chance. Rahane generally plays lower down the order and doesn't get a chance to showcase his talent, same with Saurabh Tiwary, Manoj Tiwary wasn't given a decent go, Siddarth Kaul hasn't been given a chance, same with Uday Kaul, Cheteshwar Pujara has been injured and is out for the entire tournament, KP Appanna has wrongly not been playing every match. There are quite a few more.
4) Other countries are watching this "crap". Sure, the grounds may not be full all the time but just ask 'stefan', one of the members on PC. He's South African and he's watched every single game, season 1 and 2. Even I, an Indian haven't done that.

 

[Precambrian]

Oh my god I've never heard someone say such bad things to a another human being before. If he has proof why doesn't he come out and say it, don't come out and say that a player has told you about it. It just sounds like young Indian players having a whine, oh wait am I being racist too.

Because that player might be far too junior to risk a place by alleging something which is quite unproveable against the Director of cricket of his team? If I were him, I'd lay down quiet, or may have a whine with my pals. Funny how you automatically assume a conspiracy behind everything Indian.

He wants more foreign players because the Indian players suck, if there was more foreign players other countries might actually watch this crap.

And wow, what are the so much bloated "foreign" players doing? Surely Bailey, Carseldine, McCullum (till today's innings), Ryder, Taylor (till today), Quiney, Smith, Henriques, Warne, Kallis, etc have surely set this edition on fire? I can name a dozen non regular Indian players who have outperformed such "amazing" foreign talents. Get a life. Nobody asked you to watch this "crap" if you don't like it. It is Indian Premier League for a reason. Flip off if you can't stand your own jealousy.

And Rajasthan Royals creamed every ass last time with what investment in foreign players? BRC and Chennai invested about 2 Mill in Flintoff and KP and were fingered royally. Get some brains behind your posts before you spout crap like "Indians are crap". Oh btw, contact Buchanan, because you might actually get a job at KKR with a silly attitude like that.

 

[King Cricket]

I'm talking about the no-name players.

Yeah, I know it. Go and check cricinfo. You'll see how "miserable" their performances have been this year.

 

[McLOVIN]

Your Mash will get thrash in SA pitches, thats why

ok what about SA born black pacer? why isnt he in the team? he would know more about the SA condition then any one else? why isnt he in the team? b/c he is black??

 

[Highlander999]

I'll ignore Precamb as he is just ranting and causing the swear filter to kick in and edit his posts :

2) His proof is that he heard it from someone who experienced it first hand. I don't think a young, relatively unknown Indian would cry wolf as this is his only opportunity to earn this sort of money.

Yet, he could make a lot of money with all the repercussions this has in the press, especially if he cannot rely on his cricket.

3) The young Indian players don't suck. The best young Indians just aren't playing or getting a fair chance. Rahane generally plays lower down the order and doesn't get a chance to showcase his talent, same with Saurabh Tiwary, Manoj Tiwary wasn't given a decent go, Siddarth Kaul hasn't been given a chance, same with Uday Kaul, Cheteshwar Pujara has been injured and is out for the entire tournament, KP Appanna has wrongly not been playing every match. There are quite a few more.

Is it Kamran Khan for the RR? He has looked pretty damn good. The thing you have to remember is, the internationals are getting paid regardless. Especially for those players who play for countries with upcoming test matches, they are not going to be going at it 110% and risk an injury, just for some mickey mouse tournament. Also 20/20 is very hit and miss, especially for batsman. It is impossible to judge talent as you are basically trying to go big, from ball one.

4) Other countries are watching this "crap". Sure, the grounds may not be full all the time but just ask 'stefan', one of the members on PC. He's South African and he's watched every single game, season 1 and 2. Even I, an Indian haven't done that.

That is one member shravi Surely you can't base every country on stefan When I was in the pub on Monday watching the Newcastle game on Setanta, we flicked over to Sky Sports and saw an advert for the Ashes. All the football fans recognised it and started jeering at the Aussie behind the bar. We went back to Setanta and there was an advert for the IPL and it was totally ignored. I think I was the only person who had heard of it. The IPL just isn't big here, especially now with the England players back home. When they were out there, there was a very small amount of fuss about it, now I don't think it even gets in the papers.

 

[shravi]

Even so, I don't see how foreigners watching it is related to racism. Maybe it wasn't intended to be racist becasue it was said in the heat of the moment but still, at this level, and at that age, you should be watching your mouth. I'm not angry because I'm Indian because I've taken some racist crap in my life before (from Indians themselves since I'm South Indian and North Indians have a vendetta against anything/anyone South Indian) but seriously, it was just a little out of line. I understand they're losing every single match and the only one they did win was because of the D/L method but there's enough of a rift in the team. There's no need exacerbate it.

 

[Highlander999]

I don't see it as racist. If someone went to me "You bloody Scotsman" I would just shrug my shoulders. Certainly isn't racist, and if people think that saying "You bloody Indian" is racist, they need to get into the real world.

Maybe the team needs to be shouted at for a bit, especially if they are performing so badly. When we lost nearly every game in the first half of the season back when I used to do hockey, our coach was furious at us, used the "f" word repeatedly, through stuff around. The thing is, no one whinged like this guy is doing. We knew we had been losing and playing badly and bucked our ideas up and started putting in a lot more effort.

 

[surendar]

The only thing which I can see is, KKR moaning as sour grapes. Coach may not be proper but you should not come and cry like a kid. The same thing applies to coach's cry for foreign players. That Jadeja knows only to talk. I have seen plenty of him in NDTV with Siddhu. Otherwise he would not even had mentioned about useless Chopra and Bangar. Speaking to get publicity? :

The thing, " KKR did not play as a team! " remains as undeniable fact and hence they deserve to be in the bottom of the table. People should get over it and come like Deccan chargers next season. Thats it

Anyways, lets try to stay away from racism arguments please. As we know, those discussion about racism can only be provoking and never ending! :cool:

 

[shravi]

It's not only the 'bloody' part. It's just the line itself. Even if it was a joke, he alluded to the fact that he thinks of the Indians as servants of some sort. Also, Tom, Jadeja isn't part of the team . He's a retired (?) Indian cricketer who now works as a pundit on news shows.

 

[Highlander999]

Oh, I am just getting confused now I thought it was the Agarkar bloke who was called the term, that was complaining.

 

[Howsie]

It's not only the 'bloody' part. It's just the line itself. Even if it was a joke, he alluded to the fact that he thinks of the Indians as servants of some sort. Also, Tom, Jadeja isn't part of the team . He's a retired (?) Indian cricketer who now works as a pundit on news shows.

I don't think I would call it a joke?

Servants? He is their coach, not there mate.

Howsie added 4 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

And Rajasthan Royals creamed every ass last time with what investment in foreign players?

Um lets see, Well Smith played pretty well last year, Warne wasn't to bad : And Watson, what was he again. Oh thats right, player of the IPL.

Get some brains behind your posts

I think I just used mine.

 

[age of the fall]

I don't have a lot to say on the subject since I'm not a fan of the IPL, but I figured I'd chuck in my Two-cents and say that the term racism is paraded around far too often these days.

 

[surendar]

Um lets see, Well Smith played pretty well last year, Warne wasn't to bad : And Watson, what was he again. Oh thats right, player of the IPL.

Well Tanvir is also a foreign player of RR team. Tanvir, Watson and Warne made RR to look like a super star team. I will say it again, it depends on the coach's tactic. KKR coach is just finding some reasons to hide his face.

In the above quoted example, i.e Rajasthan Royals.. Look at the guidance of Warne. I am not talking about the IPL's result.. but the overall impact of Indian youths. Few of them are,

1. Munaf has improved a bloody lots under Warne's guidance.
2. Yusuf Pathan is growing even more mightier under Warne.
3. Kamran Khan.. What a support he received from Warne and that guy delivered what his captain Warny needed him to do.
4. Team spirit of Royals has been one of the bests I have seen.

If Warne also had cried like KKR coach, RR would have been having a tough fight with KKR to lead from the bottom of the table. :

Again I say, IPL's main motto is towards India's young youths who are waiting to get more exposure.. Not for any abroad players. Experienced players like Gilchrist, Warne, Smith, Tendulkar, Jayasuriya, Hayden etc etc are there to guide the youths standing in some lost way and they are not here to fight for their ego! You have to get this right in your brain.. whether it's coach or any player! :readit

Jadeja or NDTV .. whoever.. whatever.. They are just seeking publicity! : I have seen many programs in NDTV where Siddhu and Jadeja just don't go with each other in their opinions and will fight like two kids. Hence it's not even worth to consider Jadeja's words if you ask me.

 

[naresh091]

^^ Jadeja is a great cricket analyst and critic imo.
From what Ive seen in NDTV and in Newspaper Columns,hes been spot on with his analysis and approach.Sidhu is just an emotional brat who doesnt know what he says at times.