Jan 3-7: 5th Test: Australia v England at Sydney

[angryangy]

Uh oh, ball's got a chunk missing. Is that why they bowl so badly at Watson?

 

[Slowcoach]

Come on Clarkey, get us a ton.

 

[shravi]

. Oh ok. All of them would walk into the Indian team however.

That's hardly relevant. It doesn't change the fact that they are mediocre. Good argument!

 

[War]

That's hardly relevant. It doesn't change the fact that they are mediocre. Good argument!

Well since you obviously decided to troll me, without me even being present in this thread, due to points i made in the past/recently.

Bringing up IND is very relevant since your pace attack isn't exactly flash or causing anyone problems for you to be gloating in AUS bowling issues currently. So ease up.

Secondly no AUS pace attack AFAIC is not mediocre. Fine they had a mediocre series in general, but i for one dont for one minute believe they are as bad as ENG batsmen have made them look this series.

I retain full confience in them going forward & other young fast bowling talent like Mitchell Starc, Trent Copeland & James Pattinson.

 

[lethalhughes]

I think one thing Australia's batting has to learn is that not trying to score allows the bowlers to create pressure.

Yes,they should know that.Can someone please remind Hughes he is an attacking batsman?Whiles his technique has tighten up ,I rather the old Hughes-free flowing player.I'm Hughes biggest fan but I believe he should go back to domestic cricket and score plenty runs cause he is way just way short of confidence.Katich should come back in.

 

[angryangy]

They've fallen into the trap of playing stupid shots and then having to shelve them to keep their wicket. I call it the Pakistan Effect.

 

[midgetwars]

In what way is it clear that Haddin out performed Prior? Prior kept better and batted better for me. Haddin averaged 47 with the bat with a strike rate of 53 compared to Prior's 50 at 78.

You might still think that Haddin performed better but I'd disagree and would vehemently disagree with the notion that it was clear.

Prior: 1 50 and 1 100.

Haddin: 3 50s and 1 100. Haddin's Hundred came from his complete un-natural gameplay. Prior's hundered didn't.

HUGHES MUST GO. Yes flintoff and Harmision left. But in came Anderson and Tremlett.

 

[shravi]

Well since you obviously decided to troll me, without me even being present in this thread, due to points i made in the past/recently.

Bringing up IND is very relevant since your pace attack isn't exactly flash or causing anyone problems for you to be gloating in AUS bowling issues currently. So ease up.

Secondly no AUS pace attack AFAIC is not mediocre. Fine they had a mediocre series in general, but i for one dont for one minute believe they are as bad as ENG batsmen have made them look this series.

I retain full confience in them going forward & other young fast bowling talent like Mitchell Starc, Trent Copeland & James Pattinson.

It's not relevant because it has nothing to do with what I was saying. How good India's bowling attack is has absolutely no bearing on how good Australia's bowling attack is. It doesn't make it better or worse than it already is. Is it better than India's? Sure, but that's not the point. It doesn't change the fact that they are mediocre. They may have excellent reserves in Cutting, Copeland, Cameron, Starc, Pattinson, Hazzlewood, Feldman, George (initially forgot him- oversight on my part) and Swan (arguable) but I am not talking about what Australia's potential bowling attack could be. I am talking about what it is. Everyone in this bowling attack averages above 30, bar Johnson and even he averages 29. Is the potential there to be a good bowling attack? Maybe, but what good is that when it isn't coupled with even a remote sense of consistency?

 

[lethalhughes]

Well since you obviously decided to troll me, without me even being present in this thread, due to points i made in the past/recently.

Bringing up IND is very relevant since your pace attack isn't exactly flash or causing anyone problems for you to be gloating in AUS bowling issues currently. So ease up.

Secondly no AUS pace attack AFAIC is not mediocre. Fine they had a mediocre series in general, but i for one dont for one minute believe they are as bad as ENG batsmen have made them look this series.

I retain full confience in them going forward & other young fast bowling talent like Mitchell Starc, Trent Copeland & James Pattinson.

Well India do have Zaheer who is much better than any fast bowler we have.I do have confidence though in our quicks, they certainly much better than what we've seen in that series.I'm getting less and lessconvince about Hilfy though .He will get drop after this series.You don't average over 70 as a bowler and only take about 6 wickets in a 5 match series and keep your place(Hauritz can testify to that, and it was a shorter series for him against the best players of spin,plus Hauritz unlike Hilfy had demonstrated an ability to take 5 wickets Halls.... should I go on).If Hauritz got chopped it would be the greatest mystery if Hilfy somehow doesn't get axe.

 

[angryangy]

Snicko used to analyse Chris Tremlett's grunt. Technology!

 

[War]

It doesn't change the fact that they are mediocre. They may have excellent reserves in Cutting, Copeland, Cameron, Starc, Pattinson, Hazzlewood, Feldman and Swan (arguable) but I am not talking about what Australia's potential bowling attack could be. I am talking about what it is. Everyone in this bowling attack averages above 30, bar Johnson and even he averages 29. Is the potential there to be a good bowling attack? Maybe, but what good is that when it isn't coupled with even a remote sense of consistency?

Their performances in the current series have been medicore. But ability wise they are not medicore. They all have showed over the course of their careers the skills needed to be quality test bowlers. Why they haven't been able to put it together more consistently like they did in the Perth test is BIG question they would have to ask themselves after this series.

Since when i see a bowler like Tim Bresnan who isn't better than any of the AUS quicks, getting all this reverse swing & causing AUS batsmen all this havoc the last two test. While the AUS quicks who have the same reverse-swing ability (except Johnson) failing to replicate the same thing is mind-bogging.

Then of course Hilfy form. Who as you would remember was so brillliant in IND & outbowled Anderson in ENG last summer. Suddenly in one month losing his swing.

Secondly I wouldn't mention the bolded at part of the AUS pace bowling reserves that are potential test standard. Peter George should be added to that list, since he has similar strenhts to Finn/Tremlett.

Overall as i said, the form of the quicks also has been werid & im willing to write this series off, since i have total faith in them going forward & for the rest of their careers.

 

[angryangy]

It's not relevant because it has nothing to do with what I was saying. How good India's bowling attack is has absolutely no bearing on how good Australia's bowling attack is.

It's relevant if you use words like mediocre correctly. Just like saying a team is the best or the worst, it's got to be relative to something. A situation where there are like 1 or 2 above average and all the rest are mediocre makes no sense.

 

[Num]

Secondly I wouldn't mention the bolded at part of the AUS pace bowling reserves that are potential test standard. Peter George should be added to that list, since he has similar strenhts to Finn/Tremlett.

What's Swan done wrong to be considered less of a Test-standard bowler than say Starc and Pattinson? Swan's the leading wicket-taker in the Sheffield Shield at the moment with 28 wickets at 15.21. The Queensland batting line-up haven't exactly been giving him big totals to bowl to either.

 

[War]

Well India do have Zaheer who is much better than any fast bowler we have.I do have confidence though in our quicks, they certainly much better than what we've seen in that series.I'm getting less and lessconvince about Hilfy though .He will get drop after this series.You don't average over 70 as a bowler and only take about 6 wickets in a 5 match series and keep your place(Hauritz can testify to that, and it was a shorter series for him against the best players of spin,plus Hauritz unlike Hilfy had demonstrated an ability to take 5 wickets Halls.... should I go on).If Hauritz got chopped it would be the greatest mystery if Hilfy somehow doesn't get axe.

Over the last year before he stunningly only played 1 Ashes test. Bollinger has been just as good as Khan to be fair.

Hilfy yes cant play in our next test. He needs to go back domestic cricket & find back the swing that made him such a solid bowler up unitl the recent series in IND. By the time we get to SRI in August the 3 quicks to start that test really should be Bollinger/Harris/Johnson. Although of course Siddle will be pushing hard for a starting place.

Hopefully by august Ryno will be back & fit enough for tests. He is such a key part of AUS attack going forward for at least another 1-2 years.

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What's Swan done wrong to be considered less of a Test-standard bowler than say Starc and Pattinson? Swan's the leading wicket-taker in the Sheffield Shield at the moment with 28 wickets at 15.21. The Queensland batting line-up haven't exactly been giving him big totals to bowl to either.

A mistake in highlighting him sorry. I actually have yet to see him bowl, but of course am well aware of what he is doing. So i personally cant rate him yet, but if you guys think he looks potential test standard like Starc & Pattinson then thats great.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Khawaja has caught the Fatally-Poking-Outside-Offstump disease that has infected the rest of the Aussie batting lineup. India seem to be suffering it in bouts as well. I think it might be contagious.