Jan 3-7: 5th Test: Australia v England at Sydney

War does have a point. SCG has been seamer friendly this year. So should the selectors go on recent or past history. Just like players. Form or Reputation?? That's the main question.

It is true that the seamers have been slightly effective. Prior should of been out, Trott could of been out if the slips weren't so deep. Smith could of gotten Strauss if it wasn't for another deep slip.

Once again the fielders let down Australia and the bowlers. Like in Adelaide when Hussey could of easily caught Trott and things could of been very different.

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So the team should be

Watson
Katich
Khwaja
Hussey M
Clarke
Haddin
Hauritz
Smith
Johnson
Siddle
Copeland

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OR smith can be changed with a fast bowler e.g. Pattinson if i can remember he is a bowler.
 
If the SCG lives up to the worst of recent reps you could go in with 9 batsmen. I don't think you'll quite get that. There'll be grass, but it shouldn't be undercooked. The Test however will see some rainy, overcast and muggy weather. It might do a bit on that account and if Australia are to level the series, they'll hope it will offer something because a washout would be the ultimate deathblow; another Ashes series lost 2-1.
 
I think if we are looking for a number 3 i think Watson is the best choice, Clarke hasnt dealt with the added pressure of being number 4 so i doubt he can be number 3. watson has a good temperament. then chuck Marsh and Khawaja opening.
 
I'd drop Hughes, all he has currently is a cut shot and a thick edge to 3rd man, he's like a bad Tekken character.
Time to try Marsh instead I think.

The SCG may seam, but I still think Hauritz is worth his place, would much prefer Hauritz taking 2-80 off 30 overs than watching Hilfenhaus bowl rubbish 3 feet outside offstump.
Might be worth giving Beer a try though, he may do ok, but I've never seen him bowl. He surely couldn't be worse than Doherty, I have always fired up at the mention of his name from the moment he "burst onto the scene" all those years ago with his flat non spinning crap.
At the current rate of improvement, Doherty might be first class standard by the year 2042.
Don't think Ponting's fields helped much in India, sticking all your men on the fence just gives away a single or 2 every ball, which adds up to 5 or 6 an over, which is not how to use a spinner. Probably another one of Ponting's crazy tactical whims, he tried it all this season, and none of it worked.
The drop Hauritz plan was probably because they believed North could do just as good a job.

England on the other hand stuck rigidly to the same gameplan, and were not scared off into trying something else when it didn't work.
They played the percentages, and like anyone who plays they percentages, they came out ahead.
 
Watson
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Hussey
Smith
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Bollinger
Beer

NO COPELAND??? THE SELECTORS NEED TO BE AXED NOW. IT's a dead rubber ffs. change the team. play australia A if you have to. find some good players
 
Sadly, Ponting has been out for the Sydney test. Clarke isn't too great to captain the side - He didn't even captain in the FC cricket and isn't experience to captain so, but it's a tough call from the selectors through. Hauritz should come in to replace Hilfy. because taking only 4 wickets with an average of about more than 70. but he had done hard work to get some wickets. I'd go with this line-up for the Sydney test


Watson
Hughes
Clarke
Hussey
Khawaja
Smith
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Siddle
Harris
 
I think it was Athers (or Nasser) who summed it up perfectly. Smiths there because Australia's bowling attack cannot be trusted to routinely bowl out sides while their batting can't be trusted to not collapse in a heap. So they went down the bits and pieces route but Smith's not of a level to be good enough to fill the gap. You know that there's problems when you're throwing people who do a bit of both in without excelling.

I wonder what Haddin thinks being lower in the order to him.

Couldn't quite understand Smith's inclusion myself, doesn't look like a batsman and doesn't look like a bowler and doesn't look (at the moment) like he'd cut it as an all-rounder. The suggestion he's batting two places too high says it all to me, not a good enough batsman yet not included as a bowler.

With Clarke and Ponting out of sorts, with Katich not playing very well and then out injured, Australia needed some batting strength from somewhere. Three seamers have taken 10+ wickets, all but one of Siddle's wickets have come in his two 6wis which in one sense is good and in another very bad (means he's only really taken wickets in two of the six innings they've had to bowl)

I still maintain Hauritz gets a raw deal on here, and maybe overall. I don't think anyone has ever claimed he is world class, but then the aussies ain't exactly brimming with world class performers at the moment. I've a vague recollection of War arguing the toss over this, but I think it's been established in this thread he argues the toss over anything he doesn't agree with :rolleyes


As for England, well some would claim you don't change a winning side. I say in cricket you do because the team performance is made up of individual performances and when say Cook, Anderson or Tremlett don't turn up, you need others to and some just aren't cutting it - well, like when we won it in 2005 it's only one or two not really performing and one in particular doing a Bell 2005.

In 2005 Bell scored 171 runs @ 17.10. He did take eight catches so wasn't entirely a passenger, but he was in as a batsman and England were lucky enough of the rest of the team performed for England to scrape two wins.

In 2009 Collingwood has scored 70 runs @ 14.00. He has taken seven catches so you could argue is never entirely a passenger, but he is in as a batsman and is lucky the rest of the team has performed and the aussies haven't. His batting average against the aussies is a mere 30.80, take out that 206 in 06/07 and it's 564 runs at a paltry 23.50 which is more reflective of his average performance against them.

If England wish to win the series and not just retain the Ashes, looking to draw the Test is what I fear may cost England with overcautious tactics and approach, then I think Collingwood has to be dropped. The rest of the side have done enough, whether to choose Bresnan or recall Finn is a toughie, but to be honest I think Broad's injury was a bit of luck England needed and I'm not sure it will make much difference which of the two replacing him is selected.

Almost a shame this couldn't have gone into the last match level, not that the aussies would deserve that. What should perhaps act as a wake up call to England is that the aussies have been pretty ordinary at best most of the time and could still draw the series.........................
 
Watson
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Hussey
Smith
Haddin
Johnson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Bollinger
Beer

NO COPELAND??? THE SELECTORS NEED TO BE AXED NOW. IT's a dead rubber ffs. change the team. play australia A if you have to. find some good players

Its not a dead rubber. I know the urn is lost for the Aussies but there is still a series to be drawn here. However I do agree with your assertion to try out a few youngsters
 
As long as Finn and Shahzad don't get picked, I'm happy. Not particularly fussed whether Collingwood is dropped.

As for changing a winning side, it's okay to do that. Just wait till they've finished winning first. :rolleyes
 
Yes i did & i was mocking your sarcasm. So now thats been cleared up. I ask the question again:

No idea how you were in any way "mocking my sarcasm" there. To the question, look how Australia have bowled this tour when the pitches have been very flat. They've given away over 500 three times and they've barely managed to get the ball to reverse (mainly because reverse is purely dependent on conditions being rough; either outfield or pitch) while instead of picking a steady spinner they've decided on some joke spinning selections and Steve "Can't bat, can't bowl but can crack a good joke" Smith.

Personally I'd of rather had Hauritz who probably won't rip a team apart but will manage to average 35-45 whilst keeping things tight and allowing the seamers to be rested than the combined efforts of Hilfenhaus, Dotherty, Bollinger, Watson, North, Smith and Clarke who's figures collectively read as averaging 99 at around 3.5. Those picked as they're the ones who've been forced to take on the spinners job or have been those in the mix for a four seamers position and have bowled due to the lack of a proper spinner.

I'm literally pretty unable to recall a team in history that has survived without playing someone who's more than a part time spinner apart from the West Indies who had the best pace attack ever. The Australian one isn't even close to being good enough to work.

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As long as Finn and Shahzad don't get picked

I'd love to see Shahzad picked. His ability with the old ball would round off this attack to be honest and adds credible variety to Tremlett, Finn and Broad whom are all very similar.
 
I really don't think they are, yes they are all giants, but Tremlett is quite different to Finn/Broad.
 
I'd still say that they're all looking for their wickets in similar fashion seam/bounce even if the methods they go about them are completely different in comparison to Shahzad's reverse swing wicket to wicket style. Was the point I was aiming for anyway.
 
The series is not over ! The Ashes are "retained", whatever that means. Outdated concept. If the India/SA series is drawn 1-1 does that mean India win the series in SA ? India drew in Australia in 2004, does that mean the series was over and India won it ? The series is very much alive.
 

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