Performances of batsmen from the sub-continent outside Asia, and vice versa

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Below is the list of all players from the sub-continent, arranged by their batting averages outside Asia (minus Zimbabwe), with the minimum qualification of having scored at least 1000 runs outside Asia -

Player  	        Mat    Inns  	NO  	Runs  	HS  	Ave  	100  	50  	0  	

R Dravid (India) 	49 	89 	12 	4394 	233 	[B]57.06[/B] 	9 	26 	2 	
SR Tendulkar (India) 	62 	106 	8 	5121 	241* 	[B]52.25[/B] 	16 	24 	9 	
SM Gavaskar (India) 	46 	81 	6 	3868 	221 	[B]51.57[/B] 	15 	15 	5 	
M Amarnath (India) 	24 	41 	1 	1936 	138 	[B]48.40 [/B]	4 	12 	3 	
VVS Laxman (India) 	43 	74 	9 	3080 	178 	[B]47.38[/B] 	7 	18 	5 	
Javed Miandad (Pak) 	48 	78 	6 	3340 	271 	[B]46.38[/B] 	9 	15 	4 	
Mohammad Yousuf (Pak) 	31 	58 	2 	2548 	203 	[B]45.50[/B] 	7 	10 	6 	
Saleem Malik (Pak) 	33 	51 	7 	2001 	165 	[B]45.47[/B] 	4 	12 	5 	
Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak) 	44 	78 	7 	3137 	148 	[B]44.18[/B] 	8 	18 	5 	
KC Sangakkara (SL) 	22 	42 	3 	1691 	192 	[B]43.35[/B] 	3 	11 	1 	
Saeed Anwar (Pak) 	15 	28 	0 	1205 	176 	[B]43.03 [/B]	4 	6 	2 	
Hanif Mohammad (Pak) 	21 	40 	2 	1605 	337 	[B]42.23[/B] 	4 	5 	3 	
SC Ganguly (India) 	41 	71 	6 	2711 	144 	[B]41.70[/B] 	5 	15 	4 	
Younis Khan (Pak) 	21 	39 	2 	1525 	173 	[B]41.21[/B] 	3 	7 	4 	
V Sehwag (India) 	24 	43 	0 	1762 	195 	[B]40.97[/B] 	5 	4 	4 	
Majid Khan (Pak) 	30 	55 	2 	2106 	167 	[B]39.73[/B] 	5 	9 	5 	
Asif Iqbal (Pak) 	31 	54 	4 	1977 	175 	[B]39.54[/B] 	8 	3 	6 	
PA de Silva (SL) 	25 	46 	0 	1818 	267 	[B]39.52[/B] 	4 	7 	3 	
PR Umrigar (India) 	18 	35 	2 	1278 	172* 	[B]38.72[/B] 	4 	7 	2 	
Zaheer Abbas (Pak) 	34 	61 	1 	2305 	274 	[B]38.41[/B] 	4 	13 	8 	
Sadiq Mohammad (Pak) 	22 	40 	0 	1533 	166 	[B]38.32[/B] 	3 	7 	4 	
A Ranatunga (SL) 	19 	35 	3 	1215 	90 	[B]37.96[/B] 	0 	10 	3 	
GR Viswanath (India) 	34 	61 	3 	2195 	114 	[B]37.84[/B] 	3 	18 	4 	
Ijaz Ahmed (Pak) 	24 	40 	2 	1411 	141 	[B]37.13[/B] 	5 	6 	2 	
Mohsin Khan (Pak) 	18 	32 	1 	1142 	200 	[B]36.83[/B] 	3 	0 	1 	
Mushtaq Mohammad (Pak) 	32 	60 	3 	2079 	201 	[B]36.47[/B] 	5 	11 	3 	
DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 	24 	45 	1 	1587 	141 	[B]36.06[/B] 	5 	3 	6 	
Saeed Ahmed (Pak) 	20 	39 	1 	1370 	150 	[B]36.05[/B] 	1 	11 	1 	
VS Hazare (India) 	17 	32 	2 	1079 	145 	[B]35.96[/B] 	2 	5 	2 	
MS Atapattu (SL) 	21 	42 	4 	1356 	185 	[B]35.68[/B] 	4 	6 	3 	
M Azharuddin (India) 	38 	57 	3 	1907 	192 	[B]35.31[/B] 	6 	6 	1 	
Imran Khan (Pak) 	37 	60 	9 	1741 	136 	[B]34.13[/B] 	2 	8 	4 	
RJ Shastri (India) 	30 	48 	6 	1407 	206 	[B]33.50[/B] 	5 	1 	4 	
Aamer Sohail (Pak) 	21 	38 	2 	1182 	205 	[B]32.83[/B] 	1 	7 	3 	
FM Engineer (India) 	20 	39 	2 	1209 	89 	[B]32.67[/B] 	0 	8 	4 	
DB Vengsarkar (India) 	48 	82 	6 	2463 	157 	[B]32.40[/B] 	4 	13 	8 	
Wasim Raja (Pak) 	25 	43 	3 	1276 	117* 	[B]31.90[/B] 	1 	8 	2 	
AL Wadekar (India) 	22 	41 	1 	1219 	143 	[B]30.47[/B] 	1 	8 	3 	
HP Tillakaratne (SL) 	23 	41 	5 	1095 	119 	[B]30.41[/B] 	3 	4 	3 	
W Jaffer (India) 	18 	34 	0 	1006 	212 	[B]29.58[/B] 	2 	7 	4 	
ST Jayasuriya (SL) 	29 	56 	4 	1488 	213 	[B]28.61[/B] 	2 	6 	7 	
N Kapil Dev (India) 	44 	67 	4 	1640 	129 	[B]26.03[/B] 	3 	7 	9 	
Mudassar Nazar (Pak) 	30 	48 	2 	1196 	124 	[B]26.00[/B] 	1 	5 	5 	
WPUJC Vaas (SL) 	29 	55 	11 	1001 	57 	[B]22.75[/B] 	0 	4 	4 	
Wasim Akram (Pak) 	41 	67 	9 	1215 	123 	[B]20.94[/B] 	1 	2 	5

Bublu Bhuyan added 0 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

Here is the list of players from outside the sub-continent, arranged according to their batting averages in the sub-continent (minus Bangladesh), with the minimum qualification of having scored at least 1000 runs in the sub-continent (minus Bangladesh) -

Player  	Mat  	Inns  	NO  	Runs  	HS  	Ave  	100  	50  	0  	
GS Sobers 	11 	18 	4 	1059 	198 	[B]75.64[/B] 	3 	6 	1 	
CH Lloyd 	20 	31 	5 	1629 	242* 	[B]62.65 [/B]	4 	7 	0 	
RB Kanhai 	11 	17 	0 	1039 	256 	[B]61.11[/B] 	2 	4 	1 	
SP Fleming 	16 	27 	5 	1340 	274* 	[B]60.90[/B] 	2 	8 	1 	
BC Lara 	14 	26 	0 	1530 	221 	[B]58.84[/B] 	5 	4 	2 	
JH Kallis 	19 	34 	5 	1660 	173 	[B]57.24[/B] 	6 	7 	1 	
DI Gower 	16 	24 	4 	1138 	173* 	[B]56.90[/B] 	2 	8 	1 	
Kallicharran 	17 	28 	4 	1323 	187 	[B]55.12[/B] 	3 	7 	1 	
AR Border 	22 	39 	6 	1799 	162 	[B]54.51[/B] 	6 	8 	0 	
G Kirsten 	13 	23 	2 	1131 	133 	[B]53.85[/B] 	4 	7 	1 	
A Flower 	19 	36 	7 	1472 	232* 	[B]50.75[/B] 	4 	9 	4 	
MA Taylor 	13 	24 	3 	1020 	334* 	[B]48.57[/B] 	2 	3 	2 	
ML Hayden 	15 	30 	2 	1348 	203 	[B]48.14[/B] 	3 	6 	2 	
JR Reid 	15 	27 	2 	1120 	128 	[B]44.80[/B] 	3 	6 	1 	
B Sutcliffe 	15 	27 	4 	1027 	230* 	[B]44.65[/B] 	3 	3 	1 	
V Richards 	24 	38 	4 	1510 	192* 	[B]44.41[/B] 	4 	8 	2 	
SR Waugh 	21 	33 	5 	1102 	157 	[B]39.35[/B] 	2 	5 	5 	
CL Hooper 	19 	34 	3 	1219 	134 	[B]39.32[/B] 	3 	6 	3 	
KWR Fletcher 	21 	34 	6 	1078 	113 	[B]38.50[/B] 	1 	10 	1 	
MJ Slater 	16 	28 	1 	1036 	110 	[B]38.37[/B] 	2 	5 	3 	
ME Trescothick 	15 	30 	1 	1100 	193 	[B]37.93[/B] 	2 	6 	3 	
MW Gatting 	21 	36 	4 	1206 	207 	[B]37.68[/B] 	2 	6 	5 	
CG Greenidge 	20 	36 	2 	1232 	194 	[B]36.23[/B] 	3 	5 	1 	
RT Ponting 	20 	35 	2 	1156 	141 	[B]35.03[/B] 	3 	6 	3 	
JL Langer 	18 	31 	0 	1058 	166 	[B]34.12[/B] 	2 	6 	3 	
ME Waugh 	20 	34 	2 	1071 	153* 	[B]33.46[/B] 	2 	8 	10

 

[shravi]

Woo, Rahul Dravid at the top. What a champion.

 

[Dare]

Thats why I rate Dravid so high.

Look at all the West Indians in that list.

 

[BKB1991]

Woo, Rahul Dravid at the top. What a champion.

Well he is not called the wall for no reason. Legend!!
Interesting to see Sehwag's position

 

[shravi]

The problem with this comparison is that outside the subcontinent is Australia, South Africa, England, West Indies, New Zealand (5 countries) while inside the subcontinent is only India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (3 countries). This is pretty evident through the limited amount of matches played by non-subcontinental players in the subcontinent. The data is fairly limited.

Also, while conditions in the subcontinent are fairly (to an extent) similar, it is not so with the non-subcontinental nations. For example, West Indian conditions are a world apart from New Zealand conditions. This creates a number of limitations to this comparison.

 

[sifter132]

Well he is not called the wall for no reason. Legend!!
Interesting to see Sehwag's position

Yes Sehwag has the other problem of a big difference between 1st and 2nd innings average too. We discussed this a while ago when the term flat track bullies came up. Hayden is always mentioned as one, but Sehwag's numbers are damning.

Jayawardene is the other one who stands out to me as struggling outside the subcontinent and that agrees with what my eyes have seen. Good on the lower, slower wickets, not so good elsewhere.

Also, I knew Ricky Ponting had struggled in India in particular, but I didn't realise Justin Langer and Mark Waugh had troubles in the subcontinent as well.

 

[Cricketman]

Don't know why we are excluding the Zimmers when they had a better bowling attack than us up until around 2003.

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Don't know why we are excluding the Zimmers when they had a better bowling attack than us up until around 2003.

Because I can use only one yardstick for all the players. If I include Zimbabwe, the players who inflated their average by playing against them after 2003 will get an undue advantage over the ones who played against them before 2003, isn't it?

 

[drainpipe32]

Taylor our best, and that's very much inflated by his 334*.

 

[angryangy]

On one you've got performances in Australia, England, NZ, SA and WI. On the other, you've got performances in India, Pakistan and SL. At a very rough estimate, it means that players on one table have had about 66% more scoring opportunities, so there are lots more players on the top table.

I think Akram and Vaas adequately prove that 1000 runs is probably too low a qualification for the first table. Although capable with the bat, their presence on such a chart merely attests to their longevity as bowlers.

Meanwhile, there are lots of players who have played a huge number of Tests and simply not had opportunity to score 1000 runs in those 3 countries. Poor old Hashim Amla has toured the subcontinent 5 times and sits at 990 runs.

Border and Tendulkar have to date played around the same number of Tests; however, Tendulkar appears in the first table with 62 matches, against Border with 22 in the lower one. Though admittedly some countries simply host more Tests than others, it seems an enormous discrepancy to have in a comparison between players with highly competitive records.

If you're seeking direct comparisons, I would adjust the qualifications to see if I could find numbers that equate to roughly equivalent sample sizes. It may also be better to work in units of 10 or 20 years, to cut the number of players down.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I'm not sure I get what the list proves though.

I don't really see the sub-continent as a completely seperate entity to the rest of the worlds wickets.

for me you get

seaming - NZ, SA, England
fast, bouncey - WI, Australia
Turning - Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka

but even those have differences. For example, Old Trafford in england plays more like an australian wicket, Sydney turns on day 4 and 5, Lords is more like a dead sub-continental wicket, or has been in the last decade or so, Galle swings like an early may english wicket on day one and Antigua is as flat as anywhere in the sub-continent.

 

[rahuldravidfan]

Rahul Dravid is at the top of the list. And in my book, he's at the top of every list

 

[BackwardPoint]

Hashim Amla

/end thread

 

[Ollie_H]

fast, bouncey - WI,

Yeah, maybe 20 years ago!