Puddle Mafia 02 - Game over - Sedition wins - 3rd Party Win

Really fail to see how it isn't good to get rid of a confirmed non-mafia. For starters how could we be sure that he wasn't mafia? And as Sed says come end game why is he more likely to vote of mafia than town? He isn't and that's a danger to us.

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1. Sounds like mafia role blocker
2. Sounds like the cop.
3. Definitely sounds like the watcher but I don't really understand what it means by him being fruitless. I presume he watched someone who was targeted by a town role? Or could it be a reference to a bus driver causing confusion as it does say there was a lot of activity?
4. Whoever got roleblocked fairly obvious.
 
That's bad to lose a DV in a smallish game. Smurf could have been of great use for us. I don't know about BKB's lynch. I'm 50-50 on it. But, yes we could have waited a bit more maybe?

Coming to the writeup, yes the first one is a prostitute. 2nd is cop, no doubt. 3rd para is interesting. 'Plenty of activity' refers to more than one role used on the same person, isn't it? Watcher fits in though if we go by the first writeup where it said cop earning overtime...
 
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Zhuorb (1) - Abhas

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch There are now about 36 hours left in the day. If Yoki hasn't posted by 7pm BST then Smurf is subbing in if he wants, otherwise BKB1991 will.
 
1. Hooker
2. Cop
3. Watcher
4. DV Dead

I've not got much to say right now. That vote will not really help right now, Abhas.
 
Losing the DV puts us at a disadvantage, and the player being Smurf (who's likely to make better decisions as a DV) doesn't help.

In the writeup, the 'she' is most likely to be the prostitute as others have suggested, and the fourth paragraph sort of corroborates it. ("pleasure took precedence") The person blocked can be the doctor, but are we sure there are no other roles? Why then would PD give away the major town roles (besides Watcher) + survivor in the initial writeup? I don't think it is an open setup game, and PD certainly mentioned that it'd be tricky. We need to be careful of red herrings.....

The person in third paragraph being the Watcher is pretty obvious, but what I don't get is how he couldn't make sense of what he saw. Surely every person observed is information gained?

I am not suspicious of anyone now, but Abhas voicing himself against the BKB's lynch slightly baffles me. The fact that he was really the Survivor was only confirmed after he was lynched, and he could've been any other 3rd party role or even mafia. And we all know Abhas isn't a player who'd not notice this, and stick to the unreliable hindsight. Not really suspicious, but yeah, it confuses me.

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And I have just 5 posts till now? Disappointing, considering I assumed that I'd been posting a lot. :p
 
If it wasn't the doctor blocked, then there must be another night role at play. The only one we haven't heard from is Yoki, so he could be the doc if he was being blocked and wasn't really required to submit his target.

If the doc was blocked and is among us posting now, then yeah, obviously need to claim so our watcher knows who to target, or at least make the mafia think that's who's being watched.
 
I doubt that Yoki has a night role as I suspect that PD would have replaced him before the end of the night. He could be mafia though but that seems less likely.
 
Yeah I'm thinking much the same. Even if he is the doc, it seems he didn't submit a target anyway, so wouldn't know whether it was successful or not.

The cop and watcher seemingly being successful, and I guess the doc too if he doesn't claim today, suggests another night role then. Or maybe the town cop was blocked and the investigative role in the 2nd line is the mafia cop?

I initially thought the Godfather line was referring to a watcher/tracker, so perhaps there isn't a GF, but a cop/roleblocker mafia team. Would require a dual ability to kill though, so I dunno. 3 mafia and a survivor seems incredibly unlikely.
 
A known non-mafia? So you just 100% believed his claim no question? Maybe we should have just let him hang around until endgame, where he doesn't care if he lynches town. His reasons for claiming were to avoid being night killed by the mafia anyway, so he's just putting the target back on another town.

Like I said, it's easy to say what we should have done when he's now confirmed as survivor. Your reaction to us taking out the 3rd party on a day that usually ends with a no-lynch is pretty dodgy from where I sit. I consider it a good result.

I'm not against being suspicious of an individual aligned, what I was surprised was that nobody questioned the integrity of the claim, instead, they all lynched him, believing him to be a survivor.
Also, like I said, a survivor is not a role the town should be "afraid" of. It is a helpful vote when trying to reach a majority.

Anyway, it is a done thing now and can't be changed, but the reaction of people towards that lynch gives me certain clues to work upon. Firstly, I firmly believe atleast one of the people who lynched him is mafia.

Why I believed his claim was, it was done under no pressure. Even though he knew some people were against the individual aligned, he claimed individual. Heck, he could have keep shut, and we could still be mulling about the fact whether the individual is good or bad, which would've been detrimental to the game in general.

I am not suspicious of anyone now, but Abhas voicing himself against the BKB's lynch slightly baffles me. The fact that he was really the Survivor was only confirmed after he was lynched, and he could've been any other 3rd party role or even mafia. And we all know Abhas isn't a player who'd not notice this, and stick to the unreliable hindsight. Not really suspicious, but yeah, it confuses me.

Why would he claim on day 1 when there is no pressure or vote on him, no direction to the game, and nobody has a clue that he may be individual? If he was mafia, it would be best for him to keep shut and stay under the radar. Mafia fake claiming on the day 1 is hardly a smart move, and BKB's a much better player than that.

I'm not talking about this in hindsight. When I came on, I saw the thread from the last unread post, and without skipping a post, I read it all. I noticed the turn of events and had it clear in my mind that he was probably telling the truth.

Really fail to see how it isn't good to get rid of a confirmed non-mafia. For starters how could we be sure that he wasn't mafia? And as Sed says come end game why is he more likely to vote of mafia than town? He isn't and that's a danger to us.

Speaking from the Mafia perspective?

Regarding the fact about which alignment would he vote for? It is common to see survivors bandwagon. It doesn't matter to them who wins, but it is also safe to believe that they only know as much about the game as other townies. If you are a survivor, how would you know the person you are voting for is town or mafia?

I feel survivors are helpful to the town, especially in determining voting patterns (Though this is a small game, and there may not be a pattern as such).

With that, I would like to change my lynch from Zhuorb.
Unlynch: Zhuorb
Lynch: Themer

 
No point harping on about it, but the way I see it, the survivor becomes more dangerous to the town as the game progresses and becomes a policy lynch at some point, so it was better to get rid of him early when it's hard to nail scum straight up.

Plus his comment about claiming so he wouldn't get night killed is a selfish play from a role that pays to be selfish, not exactly someone who's gonna be actively trying to hunt the mafia by day.
 
Abhas its obvious that in the bold part I meant non-town. The very next sentence shows thats what I meant.

Like I said, I really don't see the negatives of getting rid of a confirmed non town. At the end of the day he's equally as dangerous to us than he is helpful as at the end of the day he's playing for himself not for us.
 
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Themer (1) - Zhuorb

Will sub papa in later, at work at mo
 
Why would he claim on day 1 when there is no pressure or vote on him, no direction to the game, and nobody has a clue that he may be individual? If he was mafia, it would be best for him to keep shut and stay under the radar. Mafia fake claiming on the day 1 is hardly a smart move, and BKB's a much better player than that.

You're right, and that's why I was sure he was telling the truth about being third party aligned. I said 'even mafia' just for the sake of counting that low possibility.

The only doubts I had was that he could've been another third party role. Probably much more unreliable because Survivor is one of the most trusted third party role, and this could've been the reason why he claimed it in first place. We didn't follow any 'general trend' that Day 1 Survivor claimers have to be lynched, but rather because Survivor is indeed a role which can be trusted, so when BKB claimed it without any reason he could very well be lying, and obviously had a selfish motive. Or for me at least this was the reason (although I didn't lynch him). I see Sedition/Smurf/Themer simply didn't trust the third party role even if it was Survivor, and I can see why they think (they've justified it themselves I guess) so and it's pretty reasonable.

Haven't heard from User, have we? I thought he was going to be more active in this game. He hasn't spoken at all about BKB, and didn't get involved in his lynch at all, so we need to know how he sees it.
 
That's bad to lose a DV in a smallish game. Smurf could have been of great use for us. I don't know about BKB's lynch. I'm 50-50 on it. But, yes we could have waited a bit more maybe?

Coming to the writeup, yes the first one is a prostitute. 2nd is cop, no doubt. 3rd para is interesting. 'Plenty of activity' refers to more than one role used on the same person, isn't it? Watcher fits in though if we go by the first writeup where it said cop earning overtime...

This, Varun. Whenever I come on, I'll try to post here. For now, I've got nothing much. And, I've gtg. Will catch up later.
 

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