RIP World Cup Super League 2020-23 (World Cup Qualifier Jun 16 - Jul 9)

[VC the slogger]

No, the official result of Netherlands vs WI was 'tie' not 'win'. The first tiebreaker, before NRR, is number of wins. So if Ned win big, Zimbabwe will make it as they have one more win than Ned and a better NRR than Scotland.

They still counted it offically as a Netherlands victory because of the super over. No chances left for ZIM now unfortunately

 

[pillowprocter]

I'm not seeing this being reported anywhere so far.

They still counted it offically as a Netherlands victory because of the super over. No chances left for ZIM now unfortunately

Ok yeah, maybe I should stop regurgitating whatever I see on other forums

 

[wasteyouryouth]

According to Cricinfo, the tie breaker is firstly: the team with the greatest number of wins against teams in the Super Six would advance. Which is essentially a long winded way of saying 'most points'.

Then it's NRR.

Scotland, Zimbabwe have 3 wins. Netherlands would have 3, if they beat Scotland, so it'd be down to NRR anyway.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Just thinking, with all our fast bowlers injured, England should immediately pick Chris Sole.

 

[pillowprocter]

Which is essentially a long winded way of saying 'most points'.

In this context, yes it is. But, in general, if a team has 2 washouts vs a team with 1 win and 1 loss, then the team with the win is ahead regardless of NRR.

 

[CerealKiller]

Need Chris Sole and Logan van Beek in the PSL

 

[icyman]

Massive support for Zimbabwe here. However, I feel they themselves are to blame for this ouster. Last 2 Qualifiers, they blazed through the group stage and screwed up when it mattered the most. Last time round, they lost Super Six games versus WI and UAE. This time, SRL and SCO. I believe Zimbabwe were a bit complacent in their opening fixture versus Oman. The fact that Oman got so close to the target rattled them.

No point blazing your way through if you aren't going to perform when it matters- akin to the Indian team who do this during group stages only to get defeated in the KOs. Anyhow, ZIM should be an automatic qualifier for the 2027 edition. Let's see if they can do good then.

No, the official result of Netherlands vs WI was 'tie' not 'win'. The first tiebreaker, before NRR, is number of wins. So if Ned win big, Zimbabwe will make it as they have one more win than Ned and a better NRR than Scotland.

The official result was a 'WIN'. I still don't understand why they didn't declare it as a tie and let both teams through with 1 point each. Anyhow, that's a discussion for another day.

 

[icyman]

Unpopular Opinion:
Lot of Social Media posts on about how The Associates deserve a shot at the main event, based off their current performances in the Qualifiers. Qualifiers tend to serve as an equal base for all teams concerned. Hence, the performances seem to be among equals here.

Take the exact same teams to the World Cup and you'd find they are least likely to shock even someone like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. While, I'm all for expanding the World Cup, the narrative doesn't fit the bill that their current performances make them worthy of being in the CWC.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Unpopular Opinion:
Lot of Social Media posts on about how The Associates deserve a shot at the main event, based off their current performances in the Qualifiers. Qualifiers tend to serve as an equal base for all teams concerned. Hence, the performances seem to be among equals here.

Take the exact same teams to the World Cup and you'd find they are least likely to shock even someone like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. While, I'm all for expanding the World Cup, the narrative doesn't fit the bill that their current performances make them worthy of being in the CWC.

This is nonsense

 

[Pinch hitter]

Unpopular Opinion:
Lot of Social Media posts on about how The Associates deserve a shot at the main event, based off their current performances in the Qualifiers. Qualifiers tend to serve as an equal base for all teams concerned. Hence, the performances seem to be among equals here.

Take the exact same teams to the World Cup and you'd find they are least likely to shock even someone like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. While, I'm all for expanding the World Cup, the narrative doesn't fit the bill that their current performances make them worthy of being in the CWC.

If they not play against best team, how they improve?... ICC should make FTP of top 10 Play Test against each other, top 15 play ODI against each other and Top 20 Nations play T20i against each other regularly...

 

[pillowprocter]

Take the exact same teams to the World Cup and you'd find they are unlikely to shock someone like Afghanistan or Bangladesh.

Why?

 

[icyman]

This is nonsense

Why?

How many teams did Ireland, Netherlands, UAE, Scotland, Afghanistan trouble in 2007, 2011, 2015 and 2019? Hardly one or two?

Assume the ICC were to miraculously have a change of heart and add 14 teams to this current CWC edition. Do you see either of these Associates making a difference? I certainly do not.

As I pointed out in my original post, the quality of cricket in these Qualifiers seems to be of the highest level owing to it being a level-playing field. Nothing else.

If they not play against best team, how they improve?... ICC should make FTP of top 10 Play Test against each other, top 15 play ODI against each other and Top 20 Nations play T20i against each other regularly...

Yes, the FTP is definitely to blame. I would also point out that these Associate boards aren't too forthcoming in their approach as well. Rarely have I heard someone say that they are reaching out for an ODI series with any of the other full members. Agree the onus is on the ICC, however, the Associate boards too, could go ahead and schedule some matches. Havent seen this happen.

 

[CerealKiller]

Yes, the FTP is definitely to blame. I would also point out that these Associate boards aren't too forthcoming in their approach as well. Rarely have I heard someone say that they are reaching out for an ODI series with any of the other full members. Agree the onus is on the ICC, however, the Associate boards too, could go ahead and schedule some matches. Havent seen this happen.

Do you really think anyone would agree to play an ODI series against, say, Scotland? A few teams only played the Netherlands because they were forced to, thanks to the Super League, which has of course been scrapped by the ICC

 

[pillowprocter]

Assume the ICC were to miraculously have a change of heart and add 14 teams to this current CWC edition. Do you see either of these Associates making a difference? I certainly do not.

Haven't Scotland just beat 3 full members?

I would also point out that these Associate boards aren't too forthcoming in their approach as well. Rarely have I heard someone say that they are reaching out for an ODI series with any of the other full members. Agree the onus is on the ICC, however, the Associate boards too, could go ahead and schedule some matches. Havent seen this happen.

They would give anything to play a one-off ODI against an India, Australia, Pakistan

 

[icyman]

Do you really think anyone would agree to play an ODI series against, say, Scotland? A few teams only played the Netherlands because they were forced to, thanks to the Super League, which has of course been scrapped by the ICC

Had the era of tri-series still been alive, we would have seen the appear in a few. Although, on tours to England, teams can definitely afford to play Scotland as warm-ups.

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Haven't Scotland just beat 3 full members?

Level-playing field! The same side won't do miracles in India 2023. Ideally, they should be challenging some of the lower ranked nations. Am not saying they ought to beat, Australia, England and India, but the lower hanging fruits can certainly be on their radar. The problem is these teams don't simply turn up for the big events, thereby making it feel like they are simply filling up the numbers.