RIP World Cup Super League 2020-23 (World Cup Qualifier Jun 16 - Jul 9)

[wasteyouryouth]

Had the era of tri-series still been alive, we would have seen the appear in a few. Although, on tours to England, teams can definitely afford to play Scotland as warm-ups.

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Level-playing field! The same side won't do miracles in India 2023. Ideally, they should be challenging some of the lower ranked nations. Am not saying they ought to beat, Australia, England and India, but the lower hanging fruits can certainly be on their radar. The problem is these teams don't simply turn up for the big events, thereby making it feel like they are simply filling up the numbers.

They don't turn up for big events because the ICC hasn't let them since 2015. If it wasn't for the success of Scotland or Netherlands it would have been 12 years without an associate nation in a World Cup. That's a disgrace.

It doesn't matter that they won't challenge big sides or pull off miracles - they don't go in expecting to win the tournament and no one would expect them to. The World Cup should be about showing the game of cricket to the world, showing as many nations as possible playing competitive cricket.

For the record: Ireland over the years 2007-2015 beat Pakistan, Bangladesh (who in the same tournament beat India), England, West Indies and Zimbabwe.

By virtue of Scotland or Netherlands qualifying haven't they shown that the deserve to be there? That they're one of the best 10 teams and therefore, when you put teams on a level-playing they can show how good they are?

Should Afghanistan be there? They've won 1 World Cup match - and that was against Scotland in 2015. They really didn't turn up for the big event in 2019 and just made up the numbers.

I know you don't want the West Indies but you've never indicated who you think is 'deserving' or 'good enough'. I'm guessing you think a World Cup with 3 teams would be a good idea because they're the only ones who will be competitive.

 

[Aislabie]

They don't turn up for big events because the ICC hasn't let them since 2015. If it wasn't for the success of Scotland or Netherlands it would have been 12 years without an associate nation in a World Cup. That's a disgrace.

It doesn't matter that they won't challenge big sides or pull off miracles - they don't go in expecting to win the tournament and no one would expect them to. The World Cup should be about showing the game of cricket to the world, showing as many nations as possible playing competitive cricket.

For the record: Ireland over the years 2007-2015 beat Pakistan, Bangladesh (who in the same tournament beat India), England, West Indies and Zimbabwe.

By virtue of Scotland or Netherlands qualifying haven't they shown that the deserve to be there? That they're one of the best 10 teams and therefore, when you put teams on a level-playing they can show how good they are?

Should Afghanistan be there? They've won 1 World Cup match - and that was against Scotland in 2015. They really didn't turn up for the big event in 2019 and just made up the numbers.

I know you don't want the West Indies but you've never indicated who you think is 'deserving' or 'good enough'. I'm guessing you think a World Cup with 3 teams would be a good idea because they're the only ones who will be competitive.

The perfect World Cup format:

1999–2000 Australia Tri-Nation Series - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[wasteyouryouth]

The perfect World Cup format:

1999–2000 Australia Tri-Nation Series - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nah, we've already determined India should be banned from major tournaments because they haven't won anything since 2015.

 

[Paranoid Kendroid]

Absolute horrible take by @icyman . Do you really not want to see the sport grow?

 

[Neptune]

If cricket had the mentality of only letting the good teams play, we would have only Australia and England playing the game even today

 

[Bevab]

Had the era of tri-series still been alive, we would have seen the appear in a few. Although, on tours to England, teams can definitely afford to play Scotland as warm-ups.

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Level-playing field! The same side won't do miracles in India 2023. Ideally, they should be challenging some of the lower ranked nations. Am not saying they ought to beat, Australia, England and India, but the lower hanging fruits can certainly be on their radar. The problem is these teams don't simply turn up for the big events, thereby making it feel like they are simply filling up the numbers.

I don’t care if they get stomped at the main event in a few games (or even all of them). A test playing nation known as India didn’t turn up in the first two editions of the WC, then went on to win the whole damn thing the next time around. They were also beaten by a Sri Lankan side that were associates at that time. Had we followed this logic, India would have been forced to qualify for 1983 and would they have won?

You seem to think being in the World Cup is a privilege and a space for rarefied air when it most certainly isn’t in cricket. The one time two big nations got eliminated early, the ICC were spooked into changing the entire format to tilt the favour in odds of that never happening again. Then they changed it further so that they have their guaranteed slice of Indian games with the most awful format possible. I’ll never tire of calling this a glorified Champions Trophy because that’s what this is, it’s not worthy of being called a World Cup at all. Having a ten team event sixteen years after you had sixteen teams is something to be utterly ashamed of.

Let’s just talk about those teams that didn’t qualify which you deem impossible of beating bigger sides. Zimbabwe took a game off a full strength Australia in Australia, they defeated Bangladesh in a series at home and they also won a series against Netherlands, a side that may end up qualifying. West Indies have won games against South Africa and New Zealand over the last year (and the latter was a series they should have won) and clean swept Netherlands who may qualify. If you stretch that back to 2021 they’ve also taken a game off Australia and won a series against Sri Lanka. Ireland have had enough close results over the last two years that shows they belong on that stage. Now I’ll admit that a lot of this is cherrypicked because these teams did get walloped in other series too but it shows the point that they can and will win games on their day against bigger ones.

There’s no incentive for them to do so in a single group with ten teams. You upset one of the big boys? Well congratulations, you’ll finish one place higher than expected. Meanwhile the side you defeated may not qualify for the semis. That’s the only thing of consequence that happens due to this. In the 2015 format, one defeat of a bigger side gives you the possibility of qualifying for the quarter final if you defeat other teams that weren’t fancied enough and don’t lose too much NRR in the other big games (isn’t that how Bangladesh qualified for their first WC knockout game?) In the 2007 format it was even better.

The current format is a joke and has no point in being called a ‘World Cup’. We’ve already established the ‘world’ part of it, let’s get to the cup. A World Cup is supposed to be a knockouts based tournament at it’s heart after a group stage to weed out the inconsistent sides. Instead we have a format that copies the IPL and gives us three knockout games. Might as well call it the ‘Mildly Global Premier League’ because that’s what it is.

I’m not even going to address the ridiculous point that Associates should perhaps try to get more ODI series against big sides when the ICC has killed off the one thing that ensured some teams got more games against big sides. It isn’t just limited to the only associate in the Super League. Zimbabwe’s last series against Australia before the Townsville one was in 2004. Even against India, they last played in 2015. West Indies didn’t play an ODI series against Australia for eight years until the 2021 series. Now that it’s abolished, we can all go back to fiddling our thumbs and watching the Big Three play each other every year with some South African, Pakistani and New Zealand games thrown in as long as they’re good and have the annual India Sri Lanka series to boost up morale.

 

[Till Valhalla]

If cricket had the mentality of only letting the good teams play, we would have only Australia and England playing the game even today

That should be it, England and Australia fighting around.

 

[Neptune]

That should be it, England and Australia fighting around.

No one wants to see the aussies win every single match, would get boring fast

 

[Till Valhalla]

No one wants to see the aussies win every single match, would get boring fast

@Umair7 and @ddrap14 does
Australia! Australia! Australia!

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Deleted another rant. Thought I'd look at some stats instead.

Since Jan 1 2018 Scotland, thanks to their victories over those teams, has a better record against full members than West Indies, Ireland and Zimbabwe. So, should it really be any great surprise they've qualified? Their record is almost as good as Sri Lanka. As it is, if Scotland do qualify it'll be the teams with the best record, over the last five 1/2 years, against full members that take part in the World Cup. So, surely they will be the most competitive ten teams?


If you narrow it down to matches since the last World Cup, well it's the same ten teams. Of course, you could say Scotland ranking so high is because they play so few matches against the top nations and that it gives them an unfair advantage.

 

[Umair7]

No one wants to see the aussies win every single match, would get boring fast

World Cup should be:

• Australia
• Australia A
• Australia B
• England
• Pakistan
• Kiwis

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@Umair7 and @ddrap14 does
Australia! Australia! Australia!

Rightfully so, other countries/teams can go to hell!

 

[wasteyouryouth]

World Cup should be:

• Australia
• Australia A
• Australia B
• England
• Pakistan
• Kiwis

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Rightfully so, other countries/teams can go to hell!

England C are better than Pakistan

 

[Umair7]

England C are better than Pakistan

Free points for everyone playing in the WC,

Indian fans & media to explode,

Representation.

 

[Bevab]

Free points for everyone playing in the WC,

Indian fans & media to explode,

Representation.

Takes a special effort to piss off both Indian and Pakistani fans in the same post but you’ve done that. Kudos.

 

[icyman]

Simpler if people actually read the posts than jumping to conclusions. In my unpopular opinion posts, I have also made a mention that I'm in no way against expansion of the World Cup. The mere point being made was that of everyone wanting Associates based off the back of some good performances in Qualifiers,which are unlikely to be repeated at the World Cup

I know you don't want the West Indies but you've never indicated who you think is 'deserving' or 'good enough'. I'm guessing you think a World Cup with 3 teams would be a good idea because they're the only ones who will be competitive.

I don't think I've said that. My point referred to the fact that teams who do well in Qualifiers don't turn up in the CWC.

The inference you've drawn is based off something else entirely.

Nah, we've already determined India should be banned from major tournaments because they haven't won anything since 2015.

Again, there's a difference in not being competitive and not winning.

Absolute horrible take by @icyman . Do you really not want to see the sport grow?

Read my original post again,mate. Dunno where you're getting this from?

You seem to think being in the World Cup is a privilege and a space for rarefied air when it most certainly isn’t in cricket

When have I ever mentioned that? A simple proper read of my post would have cleared the air. There's a difference in mentioning an unpopular opinion and lobbying for something. I don't think I've ever advocated for a 10 team CWC.