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well i bowl left arm off break as my main bowling action,

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In cricket, left-arm unorthodox spin ? often known as slow left-arm chinaman and abbreviated to SLC ? is a style of bowling. The bowler uses his wrist to spin the ball so that when it pitches it turns from off to leg for a right-handed batsman, i.e. from left to right from the bowler's perspective. The action and direction of turn exactly mirror those of a conventional right-handed leg spin bowler. Charlie 'Buck' Llewellyn, a South African all-rounder who played at the end of the 19th century, laid claim to inventing the delivery. Some chinaman bowlers occasionally bowl the mirror image of a leg-spinner's "googly" (or "wrong'un" in Australia), which turns in the opposite way in order to trick the batsman. In this instance the ball turns away from the batsman, as if the bowler were an orthodox left-arm spinner.

The chinaman style of bowling is very rare, as not only is it difficult to bowl accurately (in common with leg spin), but the turn into the right-handed batsman is seen as less dangerous than the turn away from the batsman generated by an orthodox left-arm spin bowler; so virtually all left-armers choose to bowl orthodox. Very few specialist chinaman bowlers have played at Test level. The South African Paul Adams is perhaps the best known recent practitioner, although his technique is highly unorthodox in every sense of the word, and he is no longer in the South African team. The Australian Brad Hogg is the most successful current international chinaman bowler, with over 100 ODI wickets, although he does not regularly play in Tests. Dave Mohammed of the West Indies has also bowled this style in matches for his country since 2004. In recent times, Simon Katich and before him Michael Bevan have also bowled chinamen for Australia, although this role was secondary to their batting.

Historically the most famous practitioner of the art was the West Indian all-rounder Garfield Sobers, although he performed it as a third bowling style. Previously, Johnny Wardle bowled both chinamen and orthodox left-arm spinners for England in the 1940s and 50s, and "Chuck" Fleetwood-Smith bowled chinamen for Australia in the 1930s.
 
Whoa amazing read :D great findings man!

I dont mean to brag here, ok maybe a do just a little, but im lucky enough to be able to execute both Off and Leg Spin, like JikJak said, it is also commonly known as Orthodox Left Arm Spin (Offspin) and Chinaman Left Arm Spin (Leg Spin)

It is amazing how at my age group you dont see many good batsmen who can play a Left armer well. When im facing one i can keep the ball out but due to the dip and bounce of the ball, aswell as the unpredicability of the pitch, i find it safer to leave well alone. A Chinaman, such as myself, and i have been told not to bowl it too much due to earlier shoulder trouble, is very testing for any Left Armer. The most advice i can give you on Chinaman, is to watch a Right Arm Leg Spinner at your club, or even go onto Youtube and watch Warne. Because the actions are similar although line and to some standards so is the length. As a left armer the angle into a right hander is alot easier for the batsmen to score off, and naturally most Chinamen spinners find it hard to crack there way into the county stage, that is why i admire Hogg for how he has done soooooo well, and the same rule applies with him as it does for Mcgill, if Warne wasnt there, i reckon Hogg would have a fighting chance of regular games!
 
MacGill is way better than Hogg i'm afraid. And Pakistan and Australia still struggle against left arm spinners at times.
 
Wonder why Australia struggle. they have Clarke and Hogg to practice against. Not the best, but certainly good enough.
 
Yeah most countries struggle for Left Armers as most batsmen are Right Handers; Which means Left Armers who are afraid of getting knocked about will convert to seam in hope of more wickets.

I know left arm spin is a great assit in a team as its somthing differnt, somthing rare in a way, as you dont see so many great SLA or Chinemen bowlers out there, but when you have a great one like Panesar or Boje, you know that wickets will come. Panesar is a bit strange, the way he plays he looks like he prefers to attack right handed batsmen from the left of the stumps, wereas a normal SLA will go from the right!

Panesar is confidant and backs his ability, as the line he bowls is just asking to be hit really, but since he emerged his reputation is not feared but respected over the Cricketing community. The way he gets Dip and Bounce in the same ball, and both which are better than any out there at the moment. Panesar can be the best SLA there is and maybe was if he keeps up his enthusiasm.

As far as Australia go, they struggle to find a great Left Armer as so many kids out there want to copy there idol Shane Warne, and if a Left Hander has the ability to bowl, they usually end up bowling seam.....

The arguement between McGill and Hogg is a difficult one as McGill has had more Internationals at test level, wereas Hogg has had a handful. Hogg is a great assit to the ODI side, and if it wasnt for Warne, i believe that he could easily find himself the second spinner in the Aussie side, as im sure Mcgill AND Hogg would play, as Hogg is a bit of an All rounder :D

Anyway, the fact of Left Arm Spinning is that it is easier to bowl orthodox than Chinamen, just because of the simple facts of the way batsmen approach the bowler. A Chinamen is more prone to be smacked around than a SLA. Basically its all to do with the angles the ball is bowled at, where it pitches, and the line the bowler chooses to bowl the ball in.
 
Have any of you lot ever been pulled up for bowling with a bent arm, my friend was brought up and the opposition got 5 runs, bit odd really, after that he went to bowling medium pace
 
JikJak said:
Have any of you lot ever been pulled up for bowling with a bent arm, my friend was brought up and the opposition got 5 runs, bit odd really, after that he went to bowling medium pace

No, luckily not, my technique is pretty sound!

Yeah, some umpires find it a gray area in Cricket, but really younger age groups, even up to under 16's or 17's should get a bit of slack when it comes to bowling perfectly.

5 runs is harsh, it should really be a helpful reminder and a talk to the coach, as a youngster sometimes need a bit of tweaking in technique, i say this defending a team mate of mine who was pulled up and i dont agree with the penelty run rule at the age groups stage!

I say this for my team and against it, as ive talked to an umpire before who was gunna give us 3 penelty runs for this and i asked could he not just have a word, and he did and it was sorted. I agree with it in the Open Age, but not in the age groups, as i keep saying lol ;)
 
Attacking from around the wicket isn't strange, it's probably the best way to get that lbw decision with your stock ball. Pitching outside leg will never get you an lbw (legitimately) and most decent spinners turn the ball too much to get it to go from leg-to-off ball on that angle. If you can put a few on middle and leg from around the wicket, you close the angle off a bit and give yourself a chance of finding the angle. Alter your width on the crease and you might have the batsman in many minds about where your deliveries are turning to.

It's also good for the arm ball or straighter variations as they can be bowled wide of off, which batsman might be inclined to leave, but will come in on that sharp angle, like one of Glenn McGrath's off cutters that looks wide, but jags into off stump.

It's generally an essential option if you can really spin the ball.

With so many left hand batsmen in cricket now, I believe a left arm wrist spinner of champion quality is very close on the horizon. It shouldn't be the mitigating factor anyway, a left arm bowler has all the tricks available that a right armer might use to left hand batsmen. The simple truth is that there is the possibility of 10 right arm wrist spinners for every left arm wrist spinner; considering there aren't 10 top quality leggies in world cricket, it's no surprise that SLC is uncommon.
 
Don't worry about turn at the start. Just get your line and length right and then start 'twitching those fingers' :p. I tried that and now I am becoming A LOT more accurate.
 
I was always a keeper and a medium pacer but for years didnt know what to bowl. About 5 years ago I started bowling spin. I bowled off spin but it really didnt spin much. But then now and then I would change my grip and turn my wrist the other and I was bowling leg spin!! Problem was it just wasnt coming natural to me. So often times I would think too much about my grip and wrist and end up bowling a terrible line and length.

I have to say though that the bowling I did was mainly on concrete pitches since it is very hard to find real pitches around where I live. I love bowling leggies though cos it turns a lot for me.

I also bowl this ball. Dont know what to call it. All is do is grip the ball like im making a fist except the ball is in the way. It does diferent thing each time. Mostly though it skids a bit more.
 
embi said:
This is a similar idea to Manees, infact almost a mirror, but with the spinners here.

Like me. I've been a legspinner for a year and a bit now, when I started I could find massive turn, abit of accuracy.
Now, a year on, the accuracys abit more all over the place, but I'm having problems. However, I now have a fantastic googly, which I can flight very well.
I think my legspinners problems are with my grip (see pics below, click on them to get larger view).

What u need to do is ur third finger, lay it onur palm when holding the ball
 
Jeromedascorp, that ball could be the zooter. Which bounces and skids off the pitch. I don't think that could be a top spinner because top spinners usually bounce up on the batsmen.
 
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I bowl with an almost identical action to muttiah muralitharan, i bowl out of the back of the hand, and no i dont bend my arm. I play at county level and am currently developing a doosra which i need to quicken up to the same pace as my offy and then ill be fine. Oh, im right handed by the way:)
 
Woah...cool :)
County as in 2nd/3rd XI or Academy, or county as in your name is in Cricinfo? :p
 

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