Spot Fixing Scandal Thread: The Legend Continues

[Sureshot]

Hmm, while I would agree that corruption within Gambling is rife, there is a lot being done to stamp it out, anti-corruption stings are quite big. I can't see how much blame you can place on the ICC, they don't have any criminal power, it's down to the government and police forces of the respective nations, but they are normally massive operations to crack, and it gets tricky when they are (knowingly) spread across nations that don't have co-operation policies.

Need to be careful to not go down the conspiracy route, gambling is still a legitimate business, the corruption is within the minority, it'd be easy to go in all guns blazing and create far more damage. Besides, it can be very difficult to infiltrate such gangs and getting sufficient evidence is hard, not all corruption in gambling is as stupid as this scenario, most gangs aren't so stupid as to make it obvious on live TV.

 

[pcfan123]

good now burn them at the stake

 

[6ry4nj]

Hmm, while I would agree that corruption within Gambling is rife, there is a lot being done to stamp it out, anti-corruption stings are quite big.

This was a private anti-corruption sting. When was the last time an 'official' anti-corruption measure hit paydirt?

I can't see how much blame you can place on the ICC, they don't have any criminal power, it's down to the government and police forces of the respective nations, but they are normally massive operations to crack, and it gets tricky when they are (knowingly) spread across nations that don't have co-operation policies.

I mentioned the ICC once, in passing! Because they have no high-profile investigation into gambling, nor into possible PCB complicity, like they have for these three fall-guys.

Need to be careful to not go down the conspiracy route, gambling is still a legitimate business, the corruption is within the minority, it'd be easy to go in all guns blazing and create far more damage.

As in every field of human endeavour, the corruption is among the majority that can get away with it.

The only ways I can see to keep gambling honest on sports events would be:
1. To limit the stakes/payouts possible (a bit like what vBookie just did ).
2. To make it illegal for a gambling concern to be run for profit.
There may well be others, and I hope there are. If you guys can think of any, I'd love to hear.

What's not to like about all guns blazing? Sounds awesome! And you can always ask questions later.

Besides, it can be very difficult to infiltrate such gangs and getting sufficient evidence is hard, not all corruption in gambling is as stupid as this scenario, most gangs aren't so stupid as to make it obvious on live TV.

Sure it's difficult. But law enforcement is there to do it, not to put it in the too-hard basket. The drugs trade/sex trafficking/people smuggling are equally difficult to infiltrate, but I hope and trust they don't give up for that reason. Running in three patsies and hoping it all just blows over sounds a lot like the fabled "Bold Gendarmes".

 

[Sureshot]

So, seeing news on CricInfo that it's 10 years ban for Butt, 7 for Asif and 5 for Amir. More to come shortly.

 

[ksduded]

Salman Butt gets ten years of ineligibility, five years of suspended sentence. Mohammad Asif gets a sanction of 7 years, two years of which are suspended. Mohammad Amir gets a sanction of five years' ineligibility..

so what is the difference between suspended sentence and ineligibility?

 

[Sureshot]

I think that is basically saying they all get 5 years of ineligibility, but if Butt occurs a guilty charge within those 10 years then it gets extended. Or 7 in the case of Asif.

Let's not forget that there is a criminal investigation to go on top of this as well

 

[ksduded]

I think that is basically saying they all get 5 years of ineligibility, but if Butt occurs a guilty charge within those 10 years then it gets extended. Or 7 in the case of Asif.

Let's not forget that there is a criminal investigation to go on top of this as well

um Butt gets 10 years of ineligibility and 5 years suspension. So what i get from this is that suspension is basically not playing any cricket. In that case Butt gets 5, Asif gets 2. But Aamir has no suspension. But he does have 5 year of ineligibility? I guess that is probably not playing international cricket as ICC finds him ineligible for that given that ICC is an international body, so Aamir can start playing Domestic immediately?

 

[Sureshot]

Doubt it, they banned Cronje and Jadeja etc, from all cricket. Can't really make any judgement until we get the sentences in full, that will be clearer.

Edit: Found them.

On Mr Butt a sanction of ten years ineligibility, five years of which are suspended on condition that he commits no further breach of the code and that he participates under the auspices of the Pakistan Cricket Board in a programme of Anti-Corruption education.

'On Mr Asif a sanction of seven years ineligibility two years of which are suspended on condition that he commits no further breach of the code and that he participates under the auspices of the Pakistan Cricket Board in a programme of Anti-Corruption education.

'On Mr Amir sanction of five years of ineligibility.

So, none of them can play for 5 years, but that can extend for Asif and Butt. It says nothing about what forms of cricket, but I imagine it will be all forms of cricket.

 

[mohit_dude10]

I think it means that Butt can't play any kind of cricket for first 5 years(2 for Asif) and for the rest 5 they can but can't be considered for National team.

 

[ksduded]

I think it means that Butt can't play any kind of cricket for first 5 years(2 for Asif) and for the rest 5 they can but can't be considered for National team.

spot on

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

would be surprising if even Amir came back from this. yeah, he'll only be 23 when his ban expires, but he'll also not have played cricket for 5 years at any level.

he's talented but pakistan throw up talented bowlers all the time, it's not a team you can just walk back into if you're pace bowler.

I would also hope the PCB impose further bans on them. I mean, they were losing matches (if not directly losing them, at least giving the opposition runs) for money. Are the PCB really going to pretend it's conspiracy, they're the ones that have been had more than any cricketing body in the world if they didn't know what was going on.

 

[ksduded]

my take:

Butt- No cricket till 2016. Can play after that but can only play for Pak in 2021
Asif - No cricket till 2013. Can play after that but can only play for Pak after 2018
Aamir - Can play cricket, but can only play for Pak after 2016

Butt and Asif should just forget about it. Aamir can hire a PR agency, and start playing domestically.... but after 5 years it will be really hard to break into a Pakistani fast bowling line up..... Wahab will be in his Nirvana years by then....

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I think Aamer will be back if he chooses to return. He'll be only 23. 2-3 seasons of domestic cricket, he should be back to his full rhythm or somewhere near it.

 

[AbhishekS]

I certainly hope that he is back.

 

[Aoun13]

Aamir will be back but he needs to pray that until then Pakistan will not able to find any other Aamir.
Asif will be always remembered as the WORST CRICKETER.