Spot Fixing Scandal Thread: The Legend Continues

[ferg512]

It doesn't really matter as I doubt Butt and Asif will make a comeback at 35 or 36.

 

[Auwais]

PCB should try and root out this corruption completely. Amir and Asif were a lot more valuable to the team than the Akmals, yet we won without the two A's. PCB needs to have their own investigation into the whole matter and ensure no scum plays for Pakistan again.

You really believe the PCB are competent enough to handle their own investigation in this issue?

 

[Sureshot]

It doesn't really matter as I doubt Butt and Asif will make a comeback at 35 or 36.

Butt could return at 31, Asif at 33 if they behave themselves. Of course they will end up doing other things in the 5 years, so who knows.

 

[stefan]

No, none of them can play for 5 years, then the suspended sentences kick in, if during those time frames (which will be Oct (I think they were suspended from then) 2015-2020 for Butt, 2015-2017 for Asif) they then go corrupt again, the suspended sentences will become activated.

I see nothing stating that the ban applies for only international cricket.

I was hoping for longer bans, but I don't think the code actually allows for it. I don't think it's fair to compare it to the Cronje affair, as that was for several offences, some of which are far worse than fixing no-balls, though I still believe it should be life ban for any cricketer found guilty of spot-fixing/match-fixing.

Cronje was never proven to have gone through with any match fixing. He told bookmakers what he would do but in 99% of the cases he never went through with it. The only instance where it was proven that he went through with it was the SA vs England test were he insured a result. So really I don't see it all that different. These 3 were clearly proven having committed corrupt acts. So why should they be given light sentences compared to cronje,azhar and malik,ect?

For me any cricketer/official found guilty of corruption should face a life ban.

 

[mohit_dude10]

Tainted Pak trio face up to 'nine years in jail' if found guilty

 

[ferg512]

Butt could return at 31, Asif at 33 if they behave themselves. Of course they will end up doing other things in the 5 years, so who knows.

Could someone clear things up for me a bit. I thought that Butt got 10 years ban but then it says he is suspended for 5?? And im assuming they are banned from domestic cricket too.

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Does it mean if Butt is good he only has a 5 year ban??

 

[riz7khan12]

Could someone clear things up for me a bit. I thought that Butt got 10 years ban but then it says he is suspended for 5?? And im assuming they are banned from domestic cricket too.

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Does it mean if Butt is good he only has a 5 year ban??

the 10 year ban is the maximum length that butt can be suspended. this is the easy part over now they have to deal with the crown prosecution service where if they're found guilty they face jail time.

if that happens none of them will ever play cricket again, serves them right.

 

[ferg512]

Hmmm ok so the minimum he would be suspended for is 5 years?? If hes found not guilty and dont go to jail.

 

[riz7khan12]

Hmmm ok so the minimum he would be suspended for is 5 years?? If hes found not guilty and dont go to jail.

two different things, the ban is from the ICC and you're pretty much right... if he's good he gets off early kinda like bail. The english police are also charging the players with a criminal offence which if found guilty they can go to jail.

 

[Owzat]

It doesn't really matter as I doubt Butt and Asif will make a comeback at 35 or 36.

BBC were selling them as "lengthy" or "long" bans, they're not really as they all work out five years with the rest "suspended" which in 'sport speak' is another way of saying it is more likely England will win the World Cup than the suspended sentence come into effect!

I suspect these were carefully contrived, to make them seem long when they aren't really, and it does basically kill the careers of the older offenders. But then it's hardly a deterrent, anyone else trying the same thing will know to do it in the latter years of their career - the crunch will be the outcome of the real trial.

 

[ferg512]

I know this is completely separate but is anything going to happen to the Akmals? It doesn't seem right that those guys are still playing.

Sorry for all the questions, I haven't paid much attention to this thing until now

 

[sami ullah khan]

its a million dollar question. For some odd reason PCB seems to think of Kamran Akmal's as an invaluable player along with his younger brother. They are crook IMHO and deserve to be banned. Sydney Test was cleared by ICC when it was sure as hell sold by Kamran Akmal. Anyone who has seen how he missed Watson's runout should know what I mean.

 

[stefan]

the 10 year ban is the maximum length that butt can be suspended. this is the easy part over now they have to deal with the crown prosecution service where if they're found guilty they face jail time.

if that happens none of them will ever play cricket again, serves them right.

If they show up for the UK trial, pakistan doesn't have an treaty with the uk so if don't show up for court it will be hard to put them behind bars...

 

[sami ullah khan]

^PCB and Pakistan high commission have committed with the British Authorities regarding the availability of the trio in case of a trial.

 

[Sureshot]

Cronje was never proven to have gone through with any match fixing. He told bookmakers what he would do but in 99% of the cases he never went through with it. The only instance where it was proven that he went through with it was the SA vs England test were he insured a result. So really I don't see it all that different. These 3 were clearly proven having committed corrupt acts. So why should they be given light sentences compared to cronje,azhar and malik,ect?

For me any cricketer/official found guilty of corruption should face a life ban.

I agree with the last statement, but I will add the differences in the case, most notably that Cronje was involved with bookmakers for 4 years and told no one and made a fair bit of money from them, even if the fixing didn't occur in some instances. Not defending either party, but there are some differences.

I think the most important aspect is that I believe the ICC couldn't actually punish them any further, I think the code has changed since Cronje's time. I don't agree with that, but that's the situation we're in.

The CPS prosecution will be interesting and I think Pakistan will be best suited to not play the players when their bans are lifted. At least I know they won't be allowed visas in to the UK ever again once the court proceedings have been finished, and England won't be playing in Pakistan for a long time.