Teams you root for

[Rohit Doshi]

Yes because thats become your mentality. See others with open mind and you will understand others. WE INDIANS are always expected to understand your culture, your thoughts but have you all tried once?

NOPE

When it comes to India it is always stupid useless brainless people posting ???? and have ???? standard Well mate use your brains for a change

 

[teamindia]

India hatred hurts guys

Why sad? These people are not mature enough to distinguish between Team India and BCCI. Team India is like Dark Knight. They are the heroes the cricketing world needs but does not deserve.

Not that BCCI needs to be hated and I am going to be flamed. If anything they are being bullied by 9 other countries and their fans to accept things like DRS.


Jai Jawan, Jai Kisan, Jai Vighyan, Jai Men In Blue

 

[puddleduck]

It's been ever since Walsh and Ambrose retired. I remember going to several tests in the 2000 series and thinking we've finally beaten the Windies. 12 years on and it wouldn't be special now; just expected.

Get goosebumps just thinking about watching those two steam in.... well as much as any Windies bowler ever "steamed" in.

Come on guys, I appreciate there are some numpties that post from India, but let's not slip into that zenophobic mentality of group labelling entire nations of people. They have a billion people and cricket's their national sport, of course there's plenty of imbeciles (what percentage of them have found it on to this forum is of course debateable). There is also however a fair amount of reasoned and respectable fans.

It's just unfortunate their vocal majority parrallel the loudest and most embarrassing of English football fans.

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Not that BCCI needs to be hated and I am going to be flamed. If anything they are being bullied by 9 other countries and their fans to accept things like DRS.


Jai Jawan, Jai Kisan, Jai Vighyan, Jai Men In Blue

Err, in most of the democratic world, a 9 out of 10 verdict would have been enough. Not with the BCCI, you're post was almost decent, in that Team India is actually quite likeable. Good sportsmanship and some talented players. It's the BCCI that is tainting the globalised vision of cricket with their mono-centric (or is that money-centric) approach to the future of the game.

Err, this is off-topic. I like Pakistan at the moment because of how they fight regardless of the situation. However, I dislike them, because Waquar Younis is the most appalling tv pundit ever. He literally just repeats whatever has just been said, but rearranges the words.

 

[barmyarmy]

I don't think the BCCI get bullied. I think there's a genuine feeling in world cricket that due to their commercial power the BCCI generally get what they want. Surely a better question is to ask how when only one association is opposed to it why DRS is still only optional?

Some Indian fans do have a God-given sense that India is the greatest team on the planet in all formats but I think it's unusual for members who have listened to people from other countries and learned a bit about the world beyond Indian cricket to still hold those views. If I recall most the Indian fans were very gracious about the test defeat by England and those that weren't were generally saying wait til we play you at home. Having seen England's recent series in UAE that would be hard to argue with.

The Aussies were far more arrogant before 2005 if you ask me

 

[Aislabie]

 

[barmyarmy]

Wayne's not a very Irish name...

 

[Rohit Doshi]

Oh yes, Ireland if they remain consistent I see them replacing and playing better cricket then Bangladesh/Zimbabwe

 

[puddleduck]

Be nice if they just bit the bullet and gave them test cricket. I think there's a potential for adding a few of the more successful associates and splitting test cricket's current system into an 8 and 8 league with relegation and promotion? The sooner nations like Ireland have the potential to play test cricket, the longer it will take for their players to consider having to switch nations to achieve their goals.

 

[teamindia]

Err, in most of the democratic world, a 9 out of 10 verdict would have been enough.

We don't live in one. England still has veto in UN. If simple democracy applies ICC would be a mess. Imagine Zib passing a resolution to get control of BCCI funds.

It's the BCCI that is tainting the globalised vision of cricket with their mono-centric (or is that money-centric) approach to the future of the game.

You prove my point on how immature you are. If you had said ECB and BCCI (and every other board) are tainting cricket with their money centric approach that is acceptable. But to make just BCCI the villain shows your jealously and blind opinion. Most Indian fans recognize that fact.

The Ind-Pak series got cancelled since Pak wanted a cut in broadcasting fees. CA apparently asked players to back away in monkeygate since an Indian withdrawal would bring them doom. WI board played T20 Matches against India in the morning before empty stadiums to get some money from Indian broadcasters. CSA organises on T20 to get money from Indian broadcasters. SL wants India to play there every month so they can pay of their debts. NZ would change test match start times to reach India and earn more money. WI and Zib keep fighting with their own players. ECB lets a fool land a chopper in Lords and say nothing when a billionaire gets lap dance from Matt Priors wife. BCB would send their team to Pakistan so they can be the president of ICC......but but only BCCI is destroying cricket according to PC crowd. As V said if you are looking for the guilty look into a mirror. Stop this BCCI hatred. It is getting annoying.

 

[puddleduck]

The ICC is also to blame, because they don't stand up to the BCCI. I didn't just pass all the blame on them did I? You said the BCCI is getting bullied? Well, if a 9 out of 10 vote fails to pass, that implies not that anyone is bullying them, but that they're acting like spoilt brats.

I made my point, you attacked me. I can only assume you work for the BCCI, because your blind faith in them is incredibly worrying.

If you had a clue, you'd know that many other boards have issues, and that no I haven't agreed with everything the ECB have done either. In fact, I was slating Giles Clarke's opinions a few weeks back.

You have shown EXACTLY how immature you are I'm afraid. You turn to personal jibes and accuse me of jealousy? Blind opinion? Where an entire forum of different nationalities (and even some from India) can see the damage that is caused by the BCCI refusing to act unless they want to. Regardless of member support, they do what they want. Between the ICC not having any backbone, and the BCCI themselves devaluing the ICC's authority, it is damaging to the potential future of the game. How, in your perfectly formed brain, do you justify that when 9/10 boards want the DRS, but the BCCI don't, it becomes optional? I guess for you maturity is thinking of oneself ahead of the greater good? I guess "blind opinion" is using the massive amounts of factual, scientifically justified evidence that nearly the entire cricketing world recognises, yet supporting the minority blindly instead?

Basically, you've highlighted that India have run the game almost solely driven by money, and in turn have forced other boards to play to their rules.

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Oh, and as for "look in the mirror?" I, like you, am merely a cricket fan. I have no say, just like you don't. I can only read as much as I can to educate myself on the subject at hand. I suggest you expand your reading beyond the BCCI press releases...

 

[teamindia]

The ICC is also to blame, because they don't stand up to the BCCI. I didn't just pass all the blame on them did I? You said the BCCI is getting bullied? Well, if a 9 out of 10 vote fails to pass, that implies not that anyone is bullying them, but that they're acting like spoilt brats.

Well read your post again. You said "It is the BCCI that is tainting the globalized game of cricket". You were pinning the blame on one board. 9 out of 10 boards cannot pass a law and suspend BCCI? Why blame one board for 9 incompetent boards?

I made my point, you attacked me. I can only assume you work for the BCCI, because your blind faith in them is incredibly worrying.

So calling you jealous and blind sided is personal attack? I would give u real examples of them from old posts but I am on mobile.

Where an entire forum of different nationalities (and even some from India) can see the damage that is caused by the BCCI refusing to act unless they want to.

BCCI mission is cricket in India. What is wrong in looking after themselves first. Your MP talks for your constituency in the parliament eventhough that might have a bad effect in another constituency.

Regardless of member support, they do what they want. Between the ICC not having any backbone, and the BCCI themselves devaluing the ICC's authority, it is damaging to the potential future of the game.

When has BCCI done things without ICC approving things? They try hard not to get things that affect them not approved. But when it does pass they follow them.

How, in your perfectly formed brain, do you justify that when 9/10 boards want the DRS, but the BCCI don't, it becomes optional?

BCCI does not have a right to take their own stand? If ICC goes by majority as oppossed to unanimous decisions it will be a mess. Above all money does not grow in trees to justify the expenses.

I guess for you maturity is thinking of oneself ahead of the greater good? I guess "blind opinion" is using the massive amounts of factual, scientifically justified evidence that nearly the entire cricketing world recognises, yet supporting the minority blindly instead?

Factual evidence as in Dravid and Laxmans dismissal? Or the scientific vaselline theory? Or the missed ball in the tie match that entire world watched but umpires missed with all the replays and walkie talkie?

Basically, you've highlighted that India have run the game almost solely driven by money, and in turn have forced other boards to play to their rules

Here it comes. It is raining...BCCI should have done it.

Oh, and as for "look in the mirror?" I, like you, am merely a cricket fan. I have no say, just like you don't. I can only read as much as I can to educate myself on the subject at hand. I suggest you expand your reading beyond the BCCI press releases...

I have. That is why I am not accussing any board of destroying cricket through money centric approach. Every professional sport and each of us work that way.

 

[puddleduck]

No they don't. Cricket is one of the few where one board dominates in such a way. It isn't healthy, and I really don't care if you don't see it. It's not my job to educate fools. In business it's not allowed, and the monopolies merger commission would stop it. It basically means the main power is dictating the rules, to suit themselves.

I said it was the BCCI, not Team India, in reference to your making a good point in regards to everyone labelling India so far down. If you can't see the absolute chaos that currently surrounds the Indian cricket team, and don't think that the BCCI have anything to do with that, well...

The fact you've used the vaseline theory (disproved almost instantly, but no doubt still doing the rounds via some BCCI press plants), two dismissals (of Indian batsmen no less) compared to the factually proven statiscally greater amount of errors that occur without it. What an earth has the missed ball got to do with anything? Other than highlighting that humans make mistakes, that the technology is sound, but that the human error lets it down (that'll change given time). It's good though, that before the DRS cricket was error free, and that since it's introduction the amount of mistakes has only increased! (That's called sarcasm, not sure you have the brain power to recognise it - there, a personal insult )

Oh, and yes, calling me "jealous" and "blind sighted" is a personal attack. Why do I have to be jealous to disagree with them? Maybe you're the opposite, infatuated perhaps? So blinded by your irrational love of the BCCI that you seem incapable of recognising any flaws. You consistently take the "justification" approach. "Oh, but what about them, they're bad too!" Like a small child that can't see the truths that stare straight at them.

You talk about BCCI mission being cricket in India, well I've heard plenty of people say they're not doing a very good job of that either. The money doesn't find its way to grass roots levels, the people in charge have conflicting positions. There is no culpability, no order to their chaos. The money that exists, exists only at the top. Why? Well, I'm sure there's plenty of corrupt goings on, but obviously I'm not in the process of conducting a police investigation

You highlight all the problems in your own posts. The BCCI mission is cricket in India. As the financial powerhouse, should they not be seeking to expand the game and it's market, instead of consolidating their own position of power. Whilst an MP campaigns for their constituency, there is still a democratic vote to decide who is in that position. They still can't act without higher authority. They still answer, ultimately to the government. Do the BCCI still answer to the ICC, of course not, they've bullied them for years now.

You say that when passed they follow? Well, then why when 9/10 nations want the DRS, do India get their way?

Anyway, I really don't care enough to be typing anymore, you can carry on believing whatever you want, whilst I'll carry on being right

 

[Highlander999]

I used to be like you mate, along with many other members of different nationalities, trying to use common sense to make them see sense. After the umpteenth time where you get a new kid on the block sprouting the same old rubbish you get fed up, and just resort to either ignoring it, or just winding them up if you need a bit of a laugh.

I am 100% sure I get more common sense and reasoning out of my cat.

 

[teamindia]

No they don't. Cricket is one of the few where one board dominates in such a way. It isn't healthy, and I really don't care if you don't see it. It's not my job to educate fools. In business it's not allowed, and the monopolies merger commission would stop it. It basically means the main power is dictating the rules, to suit themselves.

you are comparing apples and oranges here. Does monopoly commission go and break US since one nation is so powerful and goes to war bending rules with the help of puppets...like UK. No. Even if I accept the argument, unless BCCI competes with ECB market (in UL) monoploy commission has no business. Also remember India is not a colony anymore.

I said it was the BCCI, not Team India, in reference to your making a good point in regards to everyone labelling India so far down. If you can't see the absolute chaos that currently surrounds the Indian cricket team, and don't think that the BCCI have anything to do with that, well...

Yes they are doing some bad for Indian cricket. How does that destroy global cricket?

The fact you've used the vaseline theory (disproved almost instantly, but no doubt still doing the rounds via some BCCI press plants), two dismissals (of Indian batsmen no less) compared to the factually proven statiscally greater amount of errors that occur without it. What an earth has the missed ball got to do with anything? Other than highlighting that humans make mistakes, that the technology is sound, but that the human error lets it down (that'll change given time). It's good though, that before the DRS cricket was error free, and that since it's introduction the amount of mistakes has only increased! (That's called sarcasm, not sure you have the brain power to recognise it - there, a personal insult )

Oh snap.. I have been 'insulted. The theory was put forth by your whinny players and ex captain. Your own players do not seem confident...why should we?

So blinded by your irrational love of the BCCI that you seem incapable of recognising any flaws. You consistently take the "justification" approach. "Oh, but what about them, they're bad too!" Like a small child that can't see the truths that stare straight at them.

I am just being mature and seeing things practically. While you live in fantasy land. As I said BCCI needs to do good for Indian cricket. They are doing an OK job so far.

[quote}You talk about BCCI mission being cricket in India, well I've heard plenty of people say they're not doing a very good job of that either. The money doesn't find its way to grass roots levels, the people in charge have conflicting positions. There is no culpability, no order to their chaos. The money that exists, exists only at the top. Why? Well, I'm sure there's plenty of corrupt goings on, but obviously I'm not in the process of conducting a police investigation [/quote]

Yes there is corruption but concentrate on corruption in your country first. That is deadlier....WMDs where are they?

Having said that recently a lot of money is being pumped in. IPL has done a lot of good for these domestic players.

You highlight all the problems in your own posts. The BCCI mission is cricket in India. As the financial powerhouse, should they not be seeking to expand the game and it's market, instead of consolidating their own position of power. Whilst an MP campaigns for their constituency, there is still a democratic vote to decide who is in that position. They still can't act without higher authority. They still answer, ultimately to the government. Do the BCCI still answer to the ICC, of course not, they've bullied them for years now.

Does not make sense. BCCI officials do get elected by state officials. BCCI office bearers still need to answer to them and ICC which they do. And BCCI is standing for their good against 9 bullies or 9. If a MP talks for your city in the parliament and makes government rethink is it bullying??

You say that when passed they follow? Well, then why when 9/10 nations want the DRS, do India get their way?

Because ICC does not want it mandatory without approval from every board. ICC can pass it with 9 votes that is their right. India can show their dissapproval by boycotting world cup. That is their right. Of course BCCI will be called a bully for excersing their right. ICC wants to avoid such situations.

Anyway, I really don't care enough to be typing anymore, you can carry on believing whatever you want, whilst I'll carry on being right

Live in your own fantasy world.

 

[barmyarmy]

Anyway back in the land of on topic...