Certainly pal (finally, I don't have to step down several intelligence levels to make others understand). One thing aobut this thread is that we're only comparing them at the test match level, so forget the ODI stats (that could be a different thread, and I'm not very likely to visit it
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Inzamam-ul-Haq in games Pakistan have won averages a huge 78.16 in 49 tests.
Sachin Tendulkar averages 62.11 in test matches India have won, which is also quite impressive.
Big gap there. The reason I use matches won is because it tells quite a bit of how much do the batsmen play in helping and taking their team to victory (or close to victory, as reflected by the averages)
Tendulkar in my opinion also tends to attempt to make the umpire feel he did not edge a ball or vice versa, so he gets a not out decision. I also was not happy about Tendulkar giving a batsman out from the dressing room (ok, the decision may have been wrong, but he can't do that). Its ironic because Indian fans also were attacking Ponting for doing it as well.
When Inzamam scores a 100, Pakistan tend to win the games. Out of 25 100s, 17 have been match-winning. Add to that 100s that came from draws from Inzamam (6), and out of Inzamam's 25 100s, 23 100s have come in a draw or a win.
Thats a 92% chance of a win or a draw, and 68% chance of a win.
When Sachin scores a 100, India tend to not win (well as much compared to Inzamam's stats) - He has 13 100s that have led to India winning out of 39 100s
And he has 17 100s out of 39 100s which have led to draws.
So if Sachin scores a 100, theres a 76.9% chance of an Indian win or draw, and 33% chance of an Indian win. Very low compared to Inzamam.
Also, I have a little joke for everyone
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India vs England, Mumbai, March 22, 2006
India have to bat out two complete sessions on the final day to draw
the match and win the series. The score is 75/3, with the most
over-hyped batsman of our generation not out at 34. Predictably, as he
has done throughout his test career, he gets out. India lose the match
and the series.
Pakistan vs England, Lord's, July 17, 2006
Pakistan have to bat out one and a half sessions on the final day to
draw the match. Inzamam arrives at the crease with the scoreboard
reading 116/3. One and a half sessions later, he is still not out at
56. As he has done many times in his career, he has saved a test match
for his country.
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Tendulkar
Pronounced: Ten-dul-kar
Definition: The act of failing a team when your team needs you most and
padding one's statistics with high scores in meaningless matches.
Those matches are true by the way, not made up.
Sachin's test match average vs Pakistan before Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis retired was 32.91.
Sachin's
CAREER average vs Pakistan: 42.28.
It rose quite a bit from facing Sami, Rana Naveed, and Mohammad Khalil, although I think the times are changing, and its going back down with the return of Akhtar in the previous series and whenever Umar Gul returns.
Sachin Tendulkar in his last 50 tests averages 47.36
Inzamam-ul-Haq in his last 50 test matches averages 54.36
Inzamam's average in games Pakistan have won in his last 50 tests is a BRILLIANT 86.03.
Sachin's average in games India have won in his last 50 tests is 57.88
I understand that Sachin was definitely not in his best in his last 50, so I've gone to a new time-period.
1997 to 2002 which was arguably his best time of his career - he averaged 65.17 in India wins.
Inzamam's best time was probably 2001 to 2005 - he averaged 93.00 in Pakistan wins
Sachin's average in the last 2 years is 42.00
Inzamam's average in his last 2 years is 46.50. They're quite close, because I think both only played around 17 tests, but he is ahead on that front. I wouldn't worry much or argue about that statistic, because thats just too close.
Now I think the next statistic is the most damning ever.
Sachin Tendulkar has only received TWO man of the match awards in Test Cricket in his entire career in India wins. And both came in India.
However, he has NOT received a Man of the Match in an indian win since 1998. Its been 10 years since he received a man of the match.
Compared to Inzamam, who has 5 man of the match awards, and 2 man of the series.
The above statistic does NOT include series or matches vs Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.
I have some other issues with Sachin, which were pointed out by Sanjay Manjrekar.
Sanjay Manjrekar said:
I have found the scenes prior to his recent, long absences from the game quite strange.
After the series in Bangladesh in December 2004, in which he scored a double century, he followed that up with another innings of 36 and immediately ruled himself out of cricket for nearly three months with no warning signs of even discomfort during that series.
Even in the last instance, when he ruled himself unfit with the shoulder injury I found the timing of the announcement during that Mumbai Test quite strange.
Why would you want to make that declaration on the eve of your own and the team's very critical innings, when the Test match was at such a delicate stage?
There was another moment too: Tendulkar deciding to give the 2005 Super Series Test a miss. I thought that was a great opportunity not to be missed at any cost for someone like him. What a great stage that was to show off your individual brilliance.
Tendulkar said he had not fully recovered from the elbow injury. But just eight days later he was running down the pitch hitting Murali out of the ground in that knock of 93 against Sri Lanka in the ODI at Nagpur.
That Super Series actually was another evidence of how the two great men think. There was Lara, in Australia, hopelessly short of match practice, yet looking at every chance as an opportunity to play another memorable innings. Working on the principle that the more chances you give yourself, the more the chances of success. Tendulkar is not willing to take that chance.
The Tendulkar of today gives me the impression that his main focus is not to fail! And he wants to give himself the best shot at that. By competing only when he feel he is in his prime, physically and mentally.
In comparison, Lara's success has a lot to do with his failures. Lara is not in fear of failure. Lara knows that with advancing years, failures will mount. So while Lara is staying realistic, Tendulkar seems to be chasing a ghost.
The full article is here -
http://www.ndtv.com/sports/cricket/showstory.asp?id=29372
While I am not exactly the best person to say this, but possibly Sachin knew he would fail (for whatever reason - lack of form or otherwise, and decided to bring up an excuse early - again speculation, please don't attack me)
News Reports said:
On May 16
Sachin says "The rehabilitation and preparation have been good. The doctor and the phsyio have been quite happy with my progress.. That is the reason I am in Chennai, training at the MRF[Pace Foundation]. I always wanted to be there [West Indies] and I am looking forward to the tour."
On May 18
he says "I am very happy about the workouts and batting practice,....Things are looking to be falling in place."
On May 19
he agrees to a fitness test. "I have been progressing well since May 15. Ramji Srinivasan and Andrew Leipus have really worked hard with me,"
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On May 23
he says" There is weakness in my arm. I am not still ready to compete at the international level. I will be going to London for further treatment."
India lost 2 or 3 ODIs in that time between the 19th and 23rd - again speculation, I cannot decide, but it is suspicious
Now heres I think the most destructive point I have:
Sachin Tendulkar has a BIG tendency to... choke.
There have been so many occasions where Sachin is in great form, and he just throws it away. Sachin Tendulkar does not deal with pressure as well as Inzamam, which is why I'd rather have Inzamam rather than Tendulkar in my team.
Choking incidents:
iZeeshan said:
In 2000 against South Africa, Sachin scored 97 in the first innings. Great knock, no doubt. In the second innings, India trying to set a target, he completely flops [8(11)] and India only set a target of 164. And jsut to remember, South Africa lost 6 wickets in that chase. Had Sachin stayed around for his team, and controlled his choking instinct, they could have easily set 50-75 more runs, and India would have won the match and SERIES
zMario said:
And thats only the start, theres SO MANY more examples.
Right from the top of my head, India and Australia.
I believe, 1997. Tendulkar scores a fanastic 160 odd in the first innings.
India 440 all out
Australia respond with 400
Then, in the 2nd innings, Tendulkar goes cheapily when the team needed him to set Australia a big total. He hits the ball straight up in the air, fielder comes under it (may have been bowler)
He was out for 40 odd, so he had a start.
When India needed Sachin, he decided to try to obliterate the bowler, and got out. India bowled out for 140 or 150.
Australia win quite easily.
When the pressure was on, Sachin did not perform, but if he had, India would have had a very good chance of winning the test.
zMario said:
Another SPLENDID performance
under pressure by Sachin Tendulkar
By the way, this photo goes with that performance.
Now heres another story.
Asian Test Championship, Dravid bowled by Akhtar.
In comes Tendulkar. The crowd goes BESERK at Eden Gardens.
In comes Akhtar. GONE, YORKED. Another FANTASTIC Under-Pressure innings by Sachin Tendulkar.
Crowd is stunned. Tendulkar walks back, since he could not handle the pressure. India were under pressure because of all the hype around him because of Akhtar. And Akhtar blasted his middle stump out.
A video is available on youtube.
A second story. First test between India and Pakistan in 1999, taking place in Chennai.
Pakistan struggle along to 240 odd in the first innings.
India make 260 in reply.
In the second innings Afridi scores 141 and the rest of the Pakistani batsmen play around him. Pakistan 290 (?) all out, India require 271 to win.
The chase begins badly, with Ramesh and Laxman out, India 6-2.
Dravid and the rest fall, with Sachin surviving a few LBW shouts and caught behinds.
Sachin survives to 218-6.
Sachin starts playing Saqlain nicely, and is about to take India home.
Till Sachin chokes. He decides to hit Saqlain over everyone's head. He's caught easily at mid-off.
He could have easily taken India home, had he played sensibly, and nudged the ones and twos and all.
But no, I have to hit a big shot, I'm Sachin Tendulkar.
India lost the test match and the series by
12 runs.
What a game of test match cricket. And what could have been, for India, had Sachin not choked.
Anyway pal, I hope you now see why I believe Inzamam to be a better cricketer than Sachin Tendulkar.
Both are legends of the game, but Inzamam was ahead when it came to playing and helping the team win.