Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY

Sachin Tendulkar vs Inzamam Ul Haq


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As i said i respect each player and i m not a Idiot like you to insult a legend...Why to have choker in between word? did someone did? thus proves you are jealousy of his achievement More or less...BUT YOU NEED TO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST...
 
Can you shut your point about this so called averaging more in victories? Scoring in a lost cause is more difficult, it means that you have scored when the chips are down. The only thing you have said in the whole thread is 1. Inzy averages (?) in matches Pakistan has won 2. A couple of Pakistan wins. And you keep on repeating these things like an audio CD.

And if you know, Don Bradman himself said that Sachin reminded him of his own batting. I don't remember him mentioning Inzy. :rolleyes:
 
I guess this thread is going no where. Everybody has their own opinion of who is a better player. This thread has been going on for 28 pages and counting and still there hasn't been much of a final result about it. So I guess this thread should be close by a mod.
 
One, the same as Sachin Tendulkar.

The difference is, Inzamam led Pakistan to victory in SA in the one test, while Sachin was a mere passenger in that test.

Tendulkar made 44 and 14. I believe in the 44 Tendulkar flashed at a wide ball and guided the ball to slip, and in the 14 Tendulkar tried to play an extravagant shot and got an inside edge and was bowled by Pollock. This was the test where SA got out for 89, and Sreesanth took 5/40.

Inzamam almost single handedly won the game for Pakistan in the first innings :)

Akhtar went right through SA in the first innings, bowling them out for 124

In the second innings, SA bowlers bowled well, and had Pakistan at 135/6.

Inzamam batted and remained not out at the end of the innings with 92 not out, and took Pakistan to 265.

Without this innings, Pakistan wouldn't have won the test. http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/rsavpak/engine/match/250666.html
 
Its entertaining. I have only had this sort of thread arguement a couple of times in a movie site which resulted in me getting banned for using...What did the mod say? Yeah...uh...right, "Cuss words". I enjoy these things.
 
Yeah, whatever. good luck to Sachin Choker Tendulkar.



If I was an Indian fan, I don't care how Tendulkar gets runs as long as he takes the team to victory. So I'm not a hypocrite.

Also metallics, this discussion is about Test cricket only. Your question has nothing to do with this thread. Besides that, I asked you the questions first. You should have atleast had the decency (sp?) to answer those and then ask me questions.



Guess what scion_sid. Who won that game? Oh thats right, South Africa did, by IIRC by over 200 runs. And IIRC, Tendulkar popped up a ball in the air in the second innings, and got out when he should have been there saving the test for India.

Nice example to pick, where he again choked!





Sachin scores 234, as India make only 491. Inzamam scores 122, along with Yousuf 110, Younus 101, and Kamran Akmal 72. Pakistan 583. India bowled out for 167, Sachin Tendulkar out for 3. Inzamam chases down the 92 quite comfortably to win the game.



Azharuddin averages 55.48 in Indian victories.

Thats more than Ganguly and Laxman :)

So I've pretty much shot your theory on that down

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Excuse me, its kind of difficult to argue against Tendu fans who believe that personal performance is better than team performance.

You never seem to get the point that I made in my previous posts.
The Indian bowling in those days consisted of Dodda Ganesh,David Johnson and group!
They could not bowl sides out cheaply and hence the reason for India not being able to make use of those big Tendulkar knocks.

Individuals rarely do win matches,teams frequently do so!
YOur arguments would make anyone believe that Inzamam made a hundred everytime Pakistan were in trouble and Pakistan won all those test matches.I wonder why Pakistan haven`t been doing so great in overseas tours in the last 5 years!
Why did Pakistan lose their last 9 test matches against Australia ? Any reason why? Why did they lost their last TEST SERIES to England 3-0 ? Why could Inzamam not pull of his match-winning knocks there?

Now point out an Inzamam hundred from those tests for me to say `But it ended up on the losing side` !!!

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I guess this thread is going no where. Everybody has their own opinion of who is a better player. This thread has been going on for 28 pages and counting and still there hasn't been much of a final result about it. So I guess this thread should be close by a mod.

I never thought you would give up so easily !! :happy
 
# In terms of technique and compactness, Tendulkar is the best: Desmond Haynes.
# I have watched a lot of Tendulkar and we have spoken to each other a lot. He has it in him to be among the very best: Sir Garfield Sobers.
# He is 99.5 per cent perfect. I'd pay to see him: Viv Richards.
# I saw him playing on television and was struck by his technique, so I asked my wife to come look at him. Now I never saw myself play, but I feel that this player is playing much the same as I used to play, and she looked at him on Television and said yes, there is a similarity between the two... his compactness, technique, stroke production... it all seemed to gel: Sir Donald Bradman.
# Technically he stands out as the best because of his ability to increase the pace at will: David Boon.
# There is no shame being beaten by such a great player, Sachin is perhaps only next to the Don: Steve Waugh.
# Sachin is cricket's God: Barry Richards.
# India's fortune will depend on how many runs the little champion scores. There is no doubt Tendulkar is the real thing: Sunil Gavaskar.
# A complete batsman — he's the best in the business: Mohinder Amarnath.
# Sachin is an attacker. He has much more power than Sunny. He wants to be the one to set the pace. He has to be on top. That's the buzz about him: Jeff Thompson.
# If I've to bowl to Sachin, I'll bowl with my helmet on. He hits the ball so hard: Dennis Lillee.
# You take Don Bradman away and he is next up I reckon: Steve Waugh.
# I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar. He is just an amazing player: Shane Warne.
# When it comes to judging the best among these fabulous band of batsmen, my vote goes to Tendulkar. He has an uncanny ability to come out on top under different circumstances and under different conditions, whether it is Test cricket or one-day internationals. And more importantly, he has done this so young: Shane Warne.
# Don't bowl him bad balls, he hits the good ones for fours: Michael Kasprowicz.

And that is not all. Check http://www.freewebs.com/sachinrameshtendulkar/quotesonsachin.htm for a larger list.
 
See these guys would make you believe that all of Inzamam`s hundreds came when Pakistan were 30/5 !
I would again like you ask you why Pakistan could not win even one test against Australia in their previous 3 test series.They were whitewashed 3-0 in their previous 3 test series against Australia.
And 3-0 against ENGLAND in 2006!

Tendulkar played a big role in setting up an Indian win with the bat in the Nottingham test in 2007,a brilliant counterattacking 73 at Perth earlier this year.
I can give plenty more match winning examples of knocks against the champion Australian side and in crucial overseas wins.

Those may not all be hundreds and you might not have seen all those knocks to fully realize their importance in the context of the game.
I`ll give you an example.Tendulkar played out a testing Sidebbottom spell which could`ve lead to a collapse at Nottingham and then set it up for a famous win.
 
# In terms of technique and compactness, Tendulkar is the best: Desmond Haynes.
# I have watched a lot of Tendulkar and we have spoken to each other a lot. He has it in him to be among the very best: Sir Garfield Sobers.
# He is 99.5 per cent perfect. I'd pay to see him: Viv Richards.
# I saw him playing on television and was struck by his technique, so I asked my wife to come look at him. Now I never saw myself play, but I feel that this player is playing much the same as I used to play, and she looked at him on Television and said yes, there is a similarity between the two... his compactness, technique, stroke production... it all seemed to gel: Sir Donald Bradman.
# Technically he stands out as the best because of his ability to increase the pace at will: David Boon.
# There is no shame being beaten by such a great player, Sachin is perhaps only next to the Don: Steve Waugh.
# Sachin is cricket's God: Barry Richards.
# India's fortune will depend on how many runs the little champion scores. There is no doubt Tendulkar is the real thing: Sunil Gavaskar.
# A complete batsman — he's the best in the business: Mohinder Amarnath.
# Sachin is an attacker. He has much more power than Sunny. He wants to be the one to set the pace. He has to be on top. That's the buzz about him: Jeff Thompson.
# If I've to bowl to Sachin, I'll bowl with my helmet on. He hits the ball so hard: Dennis Lillee.
# You take Don Bradman away and he is next up I reckon: Steve Waugh.
# I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar. He is just an amazing player: Shane Warne.
# When it comes to judging the best among these fabulous band of batsmen, my vote goes to Tendulkar. He has an uncanny ability to come out on top under different circumstances and under different conditions, whether it is Test cricket or one-day internationals. And more importantly, he has done this so young: Shane Warne.
# Don't bowl him bad balls, he hits the good ones for fours: Michael Kasprowicz.
If someone better than these guys say that Inzy is greater than Sachin. I might back down then.
 
Can you shut your point about this so called averaging more in victories? Scoring in a lost cause is more difficult, it means that you have scored when the chips are down. The only thing you have said in the whole thread is 1. Inzy averages (?) in matches Pakistan has won 2. A couple of Pakistan wins. And you keep on repeating these things like an audio CD.

And if you know, Don Bradman himself said that Sachin reminded him of his own batting. I don't remember him mentioning Inzy. :rolleyes:

So harrypotter_fan

Do you want India to win or Sachin to score? Tell me, right now, because I think you're one of those I want Sachin to make a 100, if it means India has to lose people.


You never seem to get the point that I made in my previous posts.
The Indian bowling in those days consisted of Dodda Ganesh,David Johnson and group!
They could not bowl sides out cheaply and hence the reason for India not being able to make use of those big Tendulkar knocks.

Individuals rarely do win matches,teams frequently do so!
YOur arguments would make anyone believe that Inzamam made a hundred everytime Pakistan were in trouble and Pakistan won all those test matches.I wonder why Pakistan haven`t been doing so great in overseas tours in the last 5 years!
Why did Pakistan lose their last 9 test matches against Australia ? Any reason why? Why did they lost their last TEST SERIES to England 3-0 ? Why could Inzamam not pull of his match-winning knocks there?

Now point out an Inzamam hundred from those tests for me to say `But it ended up on the losing side` !!!


The Indian bowling line up has the currently fourth highest wicket-taker.

Are you saying Kumble is crap and can't bowl? Besides, you guys had V. Prasad and Javagal Srinath.

Exactly - Sachin Tendulkar is an individual who plays for himself in test match cricket. Thus, India don't win as often as they could.

Overseas tours: Pak tie 1-1 in NZ, Pak tie 1-1 in England, Sharjah - Pak win 2-0 v WI, to India, drawn 1-1, 2005. to WI, drawn 1-1. to SL, won 1-0. to England, lost 2-0 (should be won 2-1, but thanks to a certain Darrell Hair..), toured SA, lost 2-1. No away tests since.

Besides, this is a Tendulkar v Inzamam thread, not a Pakistan v India and how they fare against other teams thread.

Once again, can you please explain to me, why 33% of Sachin's 100s are in a winning cause, yet 68% of Inzamam's are in a winning cause?

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See these guys would make you believe that all of Inzamam`s hundreds came when Pakistan were 30/5 !
I would again like you ask you why Pakistan could not win even one test against Australia in their previous 3 test series.They were whitewashed 3-0 in their previous 3 test series against Australia.
And 3-0 against ENGLAND in 2006!

Tendulkar played a big role in setting up an Indian win with the bat in the Nottingham test in 2007,a brilliant counterattacking 73 at Perth earlier this year.
I can give plenty more match winning examples of knocks against the champion Australian side and in crucial overseas wins.

Those may not all be hundreds and you might not have seen all those knocks to fully realize their importance in the context of the game.
I`ll give you an example.Tendulkar played out a testing Sidebbottom spell which could`ve lead to a collapse at Nottingham and then set it up for a famous win.
Wow, Tendulkar plays one innings of pressure.

Brilliant, now Tendulkar is better than Inzamam.

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If someone better than these guys say that Inzy is greater than Sachin. I might back down then.
Well , I reckon you rate Wisden highly as well too

Wisden said:
Originally Posted by Wisden
In 2008 Wisden identified five prominent players from the past who, for various reasons, had missed out on the honour: they were Abdul Qadir, Bishan Bedi, Wes Hall, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Jeff Thomson. .

As you can see, even Wisden missed out on the greatness of Inzamam-ul-Haq because there is no statistic for handling pressure.

Ten Sports said:
Originally Posted by Ten Sports
Sanjay brought up, whether batsmen will be under more pressure, because if the umpire gives him the benefit of the doubt, then the fielding captain can appeal it, and get the decision in his favor.

The discussions lead to one thing and another (I wasn't paying much attention), till Sanjay mentions, "Facing pressure guys, how is it? When you're in those situations when you need 60 runs off 37 balls, or need 30 runs but are batting with the #11 batsman?"

Imran remarked, that even without that situation, you're ALWAYS under pressure in international cricket. It doesn't matter what the situation is, if you've bowled a team out for 100, and are 500/1, you will be under pressure to some extent, because this is international cricket.

Sanjay: Right, Geoffrey?

Geoffrey: Well, I'll just share Imran's sentiments, because you will be under pressure. It just depends on those situations like you mentioned Sanjay, it takes special batsmen to handle those situations.

Sanjay: What sort of batsmen do you mean? We've seen the Laras, the Tendulkars, Kallis, the Waughs, even the great Imran Khan whose sitting with us. *laugh*

Ramiz gives his 2 cents: Well Sanjay, the batsmen who can handle that type of pressure consistently, my opinion theres only 2. Steve Waugh and Inzamam-ul-Haq. Both could be depended on in ODIs, and test cricket. It would not matter what format, any format. If you have a pressure situation, I'd want Steve Waugh or Inzamam at the crease.

Chris Cairns chips in, what about Fleming? Usually when chasing a big score, he'd give us confidence at the beginning of a one day innings by going after the bowlers and getting us to a great start.

Geoffrey: I like Fleming, he's a great player, but could he be trusted at the end of an innings to finish a game off? He's an opener by trade, you cannot determine it.

Sanjay: Imran, what are your thoughts?

Imran: Well Sanjay, I think Inzamam is one of the greatest if not the greatest batsman to play for Pakistan. He was able to absorb presure, and play those special innings when the team needed him. Whenever Inzamam went out to bat, there was a trust that he would make a big score.

I did not see Steve Waugh many times, but when I did, I could tell that he could easily control the situation.

Sanjay: So do you guys feel, that Steve Waugh and Inzamam-ul-Haq can handle pressure better than Lara, Ponting, or Tendulkar?

Boycott: Lara, Ponting, and Tendulkar are great batsmen of this era. But, most of the time, they will not perform when put under pressure. *Boycott starts moving his hands* In my opinion, Steve Waugh and Inzamam are very under-rated batsmen. Most people look at the statistics, and at the top you have Ponting, Dravid, Lara, and Tendulkar.

Then towards the bottom, you have Waugh and Inzamam. Sanjay, if there was a statistic for pressure, they would be at the top.

Sanjay: So you would have Steve Waugh and Inzamam in your team rather than say, Ricky Ponting, Brian Lara, or Sachin Tendulkar?

Imran: Absolutely. NO question about it. Inzamam was able to grasp the World Cup for us, at the age of 22. That semi final innings he played - amazing. Thats real pressure for you, and that at such a young age.
But to be fair, Rahul Dravid has played many pressure knocks for India, but hes in one class under Inzamam and Steve Waugh.

Chris Cairns: Well, I'm gonna be a little biased here, because all three batsmen have destroyed us in the past, but I will have to do agree with that. Its just that in the modern day game, everyone looks at the averages. You don't even think about how this player helped his team win.

Sanjay: Well there you have it - if you have a pressure situation, it seems that you would want Steve Waugh or Inzamam-ul-Haq at the crease.

Now coming back to this review system, would you think that the big 500, 600 scores we see will come down?

Read that - it was on Ten Sports a week or 2 ago.
 
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