Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY

[vaibhav mehta]

lol..Do you think that way Matt?
Hell no,We don't care these things as We are use to it.
Who care when still millions of people around the world worship him.

I already excepted that Sachin cries after getting out and He never wins matches for India and in comparison oh Inzi is just too strong.

*Off Topic*
If I go by same theory that Zmario has used than check what have I found.
K Sangakkara (85)> M Hussey (78.7$)> Inzi > Ponting > Sachin.

So this equation is suggest that Each players have their different role in the team.You can't compare two players on these basis from different team because they play in different venues against different teams.Though it does give rough ideas but you can't prove your whole point on one stats,and If you do then Start praising Sangakara from now.

Grow up guys,there is no logic in comparison of any player with Sachin.Because firstly He is playing his cricket from 16 years of age and sometime you get more troubles when you carry more responsibilities.
Actually it still doesn't make any difference to me,I accepted Inzi > Sachin even by formula which Zmario has given Sangakara > Sachin.
It won't bother me until Sachin drives his Ferrari.

vaibhav mehta added 2 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

Edit:these formula is more useful when you comparing two players from one team who played in same venues against same team.
Still this is Valid but you are just trying to climb moon with this small ladder,nothing else.

 

[mattfb]

I agree with that formula. Hussey and Ponting> Sachin sounds great to me

 

[khalek]

Both Inzi and Sachin play according to the situation of the game, Tendulkar is an opener or top order batsman but Inzi was a middle order batsman. May be thats the reason why he averages less than Sachin

but guys Don't you think Inzi could have been better than the best if he got some workouts?

 

[mattfb]

Inzi batted at 3-5 a lot didn't he? In tests batsmen 3-5 bat a long time.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

and I won't mind until Sangakara > Hussey > Ponting > Sachin.
No really I was just playing these stats and I found that If I make specific formula in which We compare the 4th innings runs in wins matches than R Key is leading there with average of 71..lol..I am out for work so I can catch England Vs South Africa later but I'll try to bring some unbelievable stats later which even proves R Key > Ponting > Sachin.

 

[Insomniac]

lol..Do you think that way Matt?
Hell no,We don't care these things as We are use to it.
Who care when still millions of people around the world worship him.

Worship him because he can't win you matches?

I already excepted that Sachin cries after getting out and He never wins matches for India and in comparison oh Inzi is just too strong.

Thank you
*Off Topic*
If I go by same theory that Zmario has used than check what have I found.
K Sangakkara (85)> M Hussey (78.7$)> Inzi > Ponting > Sachin.

You are COMPLETELY wrong. Hussey is yet to even play 50 tests.

So this equation is suggest that Each players have their different role in the team.You can't compare two players on these basis from different team because they play in different venues against different teams.Though it does give rough ideas but you can't prove your whole point on one stats,and If you do then Start praising Sangakara from now.

Tendulkar and Inzamam both batted at 4, and sometimes at 5. You are CLUTCHING at straws. This has nothing to do with Sangakkara, who is a great and very underrated batsman

Grow up guys,there is no logic in comparison of any player with Sachin.Because firstly He is playing his cricket from 16 years of age and sometime you get more troubles when you carry more responsibilities.
Actually it still doesn't make any difference to me,I accepted Inzi > Sachin even by formula which Zmario has given Sangakara > Sachin.
It won't bother me until Sachin drives his Ferrari.

IT DOES NOT MATTER. He played 2 tests, 3 tests at 16. What does that have to do with this? Seriously, YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES.

Edit:these formula is more useful when you comparing two players from one team who played in same venues against same team.
Still this is Valid but you are just trying to climb moon with this small ladder,nothing else.

No, its useful, because it shows that Sachin isn't as much of a match-winner at India. But thank you for conceding defeat

Replies in bold.

zMario added 1 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

Both Inzi and Sachin play according to the situation of the game, Tendulkar is an opener or top order batsman but Inzi was a middle order batsman. May be thats the reason why he averages less than Sachin

but guys Don't you think Inzi could have been better than the best if he got some workouts?

Sachin batted at 4 for most of his test career... same as Inzamam

Inzy opened in 1 test I think, and prehaps Sachin did a couple as well

And I think vaiby is sad that I've completely destroyed "his God"

 

[vaibhav mehta]

lol.Defeat..You think We are just too serious with cricket,I have better works to do.
And If it really makes you happy than you win,as I told I won't mind until Sachin will be the only Asian cricketer who drives Ferrari.

 

[khalek]

Inzi used to bat at no. 5, Younis Khan and Yousuf always batted before him

 

[Insomniac]

Sachin has batted at #4 in 198 innings. He has opened once, batted at #5 in 21 innings, and batted at #6 in 19 innings.

So basically Sachin and Inzamam shared the same type of role - the #4 and #5 position

Also vaiby, I didn't use a formula. I used the last 50 tests, which is when Sachin and Inzamam are / were in their prime.

All the stats I have used:

ALL TESTS:

Inzamam averages 78.16 in games Pakistan have won.

Sachin averages 62.11 in games India have won.

Sachin isn't a match-winner.

When Inzamam scores a 100, there is a 68% chance Pakistan win - or 17 out of 25.

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India vs England, Mumbai, March 22, 2006

India have to bat out two complete sessions on the final day to draw
the match and win the series. The score is 75/3, with the most
over-hyped batsman of our generation not out at 34. Predictably, as he
has done throughout his test career, he gets out. India lose the match
and the series.

Pakistan vs England, Lord's, July 17, 2006

Pakistan have to bat out one and a half sessions on the final day to
draw the match. Inzamam arrives at the crease with the scoreboard
reading 116/3. One and a half sessions later, he is still not out at
56. As he has done many times in his career, he has saved a test match
for his country.
__________________________________________________ __
Tendulkar
Pronounced: Ten-dul-kar
Definition: The act of failing a team when your team needs you most and
padding one's statistics with high scores in meaningless matches.

Sachin's test match average vs Pakistan before Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis retired = 32.91.

Sachin's Career Test Average vs Pakistan: 42.28

Sachin's been filling his boots facing the likes of Sami, Rana Naveed, and Mohammad Khalil!

I've also decided to filter only Inzamam and Sachin's last 50 test matches, as this is probably when these 2 were and are at their best.

Sachin Tendulkar in his last 50 Tests: averages 47.36.

Inzamam-ul-Haq in his last 50 Test Matches: 54.36.

A difference of 7.

Shall we explore that further?

Inzamam's average in games Pakistan have won in his last 50 Test matches is a BRILLIANT 86.03.

Can you fight that?

Sachin's average is 57.88 in his last 50 tests that India have won

Please show me where I have played around with the stats to get what I want. I can extend that to 100 tests possibly as well, although that would be a less accurate interpretation of the batsmen when they were at their best.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

And I think vaiby is sad that I've completely destroyed "his God"

Lol..Well don't think like that because firstly I am just too old to get sad by reading the forum.
But I found that line a bit offensive.If I would have be teenager then I would have replied same using some issues like Bob Woolmer, Fight with fans or religion but I won't.
Honestly this issue is just too weak to make me angry.

 

[manee]

I've also decided to filter only Inzamam and Sachin's last 50 test matches, as this is probably when these 2 were and are at their best.

How in the world has Tendulkar been at his best in his last 50 matches? If anything, he has been at his worst in his last 50 matches, fighting back from his elbow injury (which he has appeared to reaggrevate today).

manee added 3 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

Sachin's test average vs Pakistan before Waqar and Wasim retired = 32.91.

Sachin's Career Test Average vs Pakistan: 42.28.

Keep in mind that Tendulkar's first series against Pakistan was in 1989 when he was 16 years old and so, hardly at the top of his game.

 

[Pranav]

The poll results speak for themselves !

 

[manee]

I've done some very lenient moderating in this thread, let's keep it civil, because these batsman are quite evenly matched in Tests.

 

[Insomniac]

The poll results speak for themselves !

The stats show the bigger and the true story

 

[vaibhav mehta]

Only matches are mentioned where India and Pakistan have won.

Sachin has played 8 matches against Australia, scored 593 including his match winning knock of 155* with an average of 42.35 including 2 centuries and 5 half centuries.(He has taken 5 wickets also)
Inzi has played 2 matches against Australia, scored 165 with highest score of 59 with an average of 55.00.
So against Australia Inzi has higher average than Sachin but fact is that Inzi only has played 2 matches against Australia where Pakistan won and so He has higher average.
But in fact that 155 not out was match winning inning from Sachin.
So Sachin has played 3 Match winnings knock against world best Bowling side.


Sachin has played 7 Matches against England, scored 679 runs including his match winning innings of 193 with an average of 84.87 including 2 centuries.
Inzi has played 6 Matches against England, scored 682 runs including his match winning innings of 148 with an average of 68.20 including 2 centuries.

Sachin has played 4 Matches against South Africa, scored 256 runs including knock of 61 with an average of 36.57.
Inzi has played only 1 match against South Africa, scored 93 runs which include 92*and that makes his average 93.00.
So one innings doesn?t prove Inzi > Sachin but Stat does that is why you can?t rely on stat every time.

Sachin has played 2 Matches against New Zeland, scored 63 runs including crucial 44* with an average of 31.50.
Inzi has played 7 matches against New Zeland, scored 814 runs including unbelievable 329 with an average of 101.75 including 2 centuries.
Now again the point is that Despite of Awesome Inzi?s 329,S Akhtar and D Kaneria have set up victory for Pakistan including 14 wickets between them so in short Bowlers gave support to Inzi?s work where India has struggled lot with bowling in the time when Sachin was elected a Captain.
I know that is not Inzi?s fault and He is good against New Zeland.

Sachin has played 5 matches against Pakistan, scored 391 runs including match winning knock of 194* with an average of 65.16.
Inzi has played 3 matches against India, scored 394 runs including match winning knock of 184 with an average of 98.50.

Now in short there are many knocks of Sachin Tendulkar which have not helped India to win the match because of Poor Bowling.
I have used Bold words where I appreciate Inzi so much and that is where my point, I am not saying at all that Inzi is not a great, in fact he is. He might be greater than Sachin for Pakistan but every one has his own hero an like/dislike so you can?t destroy anyone heroes or believe.
I am out of this discussion now because I don?t think it is worth to post. I can understand your intention as lots of people here do understand same.