The Ashes 2021/22

[Aislabie]

The problem is not blaming, the problem is irrational stupidty. None of the test players except Stokes, Buttler and Bairstow played for IPL. Out of all those 3 players Stokes did not even participate in this years IPL. So while your house is burning, do not blame the guy smoking cigarette in different town for that!

I suspect that "The IPL" is being used as shorthand by someone who doesn't particularly have their finger on the pulse of the T20 franchise scene, but is aware that several of the most talented batters in England have tailored their games to white-ball cricket as opposed to becoming top Test prospects. Players like Bairstow, Buttler, Roy, Livingstone, Billings, Vince, Duckett, Evans, Salt and so on

It's not a situation where you can say "well only three players played the IPL and the Ashes, so the problem clearly isn't with players favouring T20s" because it's a bit more nuanced - even if on this occasion I don't agree with Gower, and do think that the smartest option is to go get those T20 pay-cheques

 

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

I suspect that "The IPL" is being used as shorthand by someone who doesn't particularly have their finger on the pulse of the T20 franchise scene, but is aware that several of the most talented batters in England have tailored their games to white-ball cricket as opposed to becoming top Test prospects. Players like Bairstow, Buttler, Roy, Livingstone, Billings, Vince, Duckett, Evans, Salt and so on

It's not a situation where you can say "well only three players played the IPL and the Ashes, so the problem clearly isn't with players favouring T20s" because it's a bit more nuanced - even if on this occasion I don't agree with Gower, and do think that the smartest option is to go get those T20 pay-cheques

This is the reason we need to pay equal if not more money to test cricketers. These test specialist that we generally label them as, love to play the game but are not paid even half. These specialist have better techniques, but cricket administrators want the sport to take a different approach (T20, T10), etc hence it means the specialist gets less opportunity and are paid less.

While Indian team is not pitch perfect, the attitude towards Test Cricket is different. All youngsters want to play test cricket and still take that as the pinnacle form. I do not see that in any English cricketers barring Anderson, Root and here and there Broad.

 

[Aislabie]

These specialist have better techniques

 

[ddrap14]

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Glip Glops is talking about Test specialists.
Hameed is a dismissal specialist.
They are not the same.

(sarcasm alert)

 

[ddrap14]

A lot of people laughed at my last message. I'm here to make them laugh more.

 

[Loubs]

Well England atleast have the IPL to blame for their loss it seems! All root problem English test team has is definitely because of the cold blooded IPL. How dare RCB play with Burns, Sibley, how dare KKR have Root, Broad, Anderson, how dare MI have Crawley, Leach, etc. Damn you IPL.

I'm not following, are you suggesting the England team are too preoccupied looking over their shoulders at the future pay cheque? What else could they be doing if they weren't in the Test team or centrally contracted?

 

[Loubs]

You can't blame English players for playing in the IPL, where they earn good money.

The problem is with English cricket. Here's what Aggers has to say:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/60016410

Maybe the suggestion would be to stream line the CC into three divisions and play fewer games? This means the money spinner formats can have more leeway? I just feel this will end up in a legal minefield.

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As far as the county game goes, there's a huge amount to unpack. I've gone through a lot of my ideas here in the past (including the most fanciful one of binning off the Hundred) so I'll leave that be for now, but if anyone wants me to write it all down in one place then just drop me a ping.

If the 100 bombes in it's second season then yes I would say leave it alone, not as if T20 cricket is broken but maybe change the structure of the four day game and create a better purposeful set up?

 

[CerealKiller]

 

[Bigby Wolf]

 

[ddrap14]

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Had to use multiple different pitches too

 

[wasteyouryouth]

The Ashes starts again today.

Second chance

 

[karolkarol]

Maybe the suggestion would be to stream line the CC into three divisions and play fewer games? This means the money spinner formats can have more leeway? I just feel this will end up in a legal minefield.

IMHO it's the constant puncturing of the county red ball season with 50 over comp, Blast and now the Hundred which is the problem. When the best part of the summer is given over to T20/100 and red ball marginalised to April-June and basically the autumn how are you supposed to develop spinners, fast bowlers and batsmen who average over 40?

 

[Loubs]

IMHO it's the constant puncturing of the county red ball season with 50 over comp, Blast and now the Hundred which is the problem. When the best part of the summer is given over to T20/100 and red ball marginalised to April-June and basically the autumn how are you supposed to develop spinners, fast bowlers and batsmen who average over 40?

This is a good point but the 50 over game is played at the beginning of the season; while back in the day they used to play the 0ne day games on the Sunday in-between the four day match. I feel the 100 is a step too far and there is no need for it as I can only see it over or under shadowing the current T20 game. Sadly yes, the county game is pitched around now or this is how it seems. To solely blame the IPL when T20 cricket had already been around is ludicrous it is a success but then most T20 comps can be successful. The CC needs to change form and possibly a realignment to streamline the competition. However, it is a double edged sword as the counties do make money from the T20 form so it's about which way do you favour.

 

[icyman]

I am a bit surprised as to how no one is bothered about Anderson missing 2 tests on this tour. Surely, the rotation policy cannot be that mean that he misses a number of tests, while Root plays almost each and every one of them?

If Anderson needs breaks, perhaps the best case scenario for him would be to hang up his boots. He doesn't play ODI nor does he play T20i. So, why does he need so many breaks? The continual breaks create an environment of uncertainty and this leads to a bit of chaos. No one actually knows how many games they are going to get.

 

[Loubs]

The Ashes starts again today.

Second chance

Well, they have started strongly. Let's hope they can stay on the crease longer than the men.