Draft: The Lasagne Draft

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I've picked a lot of players based off of individual ability/merit so naturally I think my last pick has to go some way to offsetting any imbalance that might have arisen due to this.
With this in mind in comes the legendary Allan Border, more remembered for his test exploits and in as an all-rounder but bear with me.

He presents a good option in the lower order for his rugged graft and admirable fight as well as being an excellent player of spin. He'll also be utilised for his own left-arm spin ability which was which under used during his career, even by himself as captain.
I could've made him captain too, but Brearley, despite not quite being up to scratch in the batting department, is more of a natural leader with great people skills so would be shame not to put him at least to some use and have him in that leadership role. It's probably even be worth having him in my squad just for that, not that I had a choice :p

1. :wi: :bat: Gordon Greenidge
2. :nz: :bat: Glenn Turner
3. :aus: :bat: Dean Jones
4. :saf: :wkb: AB de Villiers :wk:
5. :saf: :ar: JP Duminy
6. :aus: :ar: Allan Border
7. :eng: :bat: Mike Brearley :c:
8. :zim: :ar: Malcolm Waller
9. :eng: :bwl: Bob Willis
10. :nz: :bwl: Shane Bond
11. :pak: :bwl: Shoaib Akhtar

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My last pick would be Chris Old

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An accurate Fast bowler, with some deadly outswingers, he picked 450+ wickets in List A cricket with an average of less than 21. He will be the perfect partner to Allan Donald, and would also give my team a late smasher.[DOUBLEPOST=1586622448][/DOUBLEPOST]@blockerdave
 

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My last pick would be Chris Old

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An accurate Fast bowler, with some deadly outswingers, he picked 450+ wickets in List A cricket with an average of less than 21. He will be the perfect partner to Allan Donald, and would also give my team a late smasher.[DOUBLEPOST=1586622448][/DOUBLEPOST]@blockerdave

good pick. underrated bowler and as you say a good late order hitter.

my keeper will be Dennis Lindsay. A high class keeper and a good batsman. Decent List A record.

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My final team would be then,

  1. :eng: :bat: Jason Roy - He’s handy when he’s not on song, and deadly when its his day. All the pacers, beware!
  2. :ind: :bat: Shubman Gill - A youngster and an effective batsman. He’s one of the best talents going around in India
  3. :pak: :bat: Zaheer Abbas - The legend who was the second best batsman in ODI cricket at his time, next only to Viv.
  4. :aus: :ar: Darren Lehmann - Statistically, one of the best ever players to play List A cricket. He’ll be the accumulator in my side, and will also give a left arm bowling option.
  5. :eng: :wk: Eoin Morgan - Personally, one of my favourite English (or non English) players.He’ll be my wicket keeper, cause he did so in 3 ODIs in the Champions Trophy (and scoring 65 in 30 odd balls in one of them)
  6. :wi: :ar: Sir Garfield Sobers - One of the best ever players in the game, he’ll be both an effective batsman and a great bowler in my team. And can hit 6 sixes in a over if required.
  7. :eng: :ar: Chris Old - One of my strike bowlers, and a late pinch hitter.
  8. :eng: :ar: Jamie Darlymple - Will be an off spinner in my team. No expectations from him.
  9. :saf: :bwl: Allan Donald - The South African bullet. He’ll be the spearhead of my team.
  10. :eng: :bwl: Neal Radford - He’ll be the pacer who’ll take advantage of the middle overs and not let the opponents rest.
  11. :ind: :bwl: Yuzvendra Chahal - The joker of my team and the middle over specialist. He’ll get hit for plenty maybe, but will take wickets a lot.
 

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  1. Dennis Amiss - if it’s his day he can smash it, or he can bat through the innings and raise the rate as we get to the end
  2. Basil D'Oliveira - smash it. Smash it some more. This is peak Bas, remember. Unstoppable. his mediums will he used too.
  3. Steve Tikolo - let the team bat around him, keep the hitters on strike. Accelerate later. Will use his medium off breaks too.
  4. Ted Dexter - if Bas goes early, he might bat 3. Aggressive batsman, fantastic captain and we might use his bowling to steal a couple of overs or break a partnership.
  5. Colin Bland - big hitter and fielder who is worth 20 runs at least
  6. Michael Bevan - ultimate finisher and we need his chinamen
  7. Dennis Lindsay - top class keeper. There’s only 2 bowlers he won’t be standing up to.
  8. Garth Le Roux - World class fast bowler, big hitter.
  9. Andre Botha - use his dibbly dobblers and he’ll give us some useful runs
  10. Joel Garner - “how do you score of Garner?” Boycott once asked Botham, thinking he might have some insight to his Somerset colleague. “You don’t” answered Botham. Nuff said.
  11. Omer Hussain - hopefully he’ll remember his kit at least.
 

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My pick is :zim: :bwl: Ray Price

ODI stats
: 100 wickets @ 35.75 (econ. 3.99, best 4/22) in 102 matches
List A stats: 237 wickets @ 31.45 (econ. 3.91, best 4/21) in 257 matches

So my original plan was for Brad Hogg to complete a really aggressive bowling attack, but again @Bevab took my player away so I had to reevaluate. I thought for a little while about the roles in my side and realised that I didn't actually have any really reliable stock bowlers. Somebody who'd just hold an end up and refuse point-blank to concede runs. Somebody who was head and shoulders above anybody else in his generation for his ability to do exactly that: Zimbabwe's Ray Price. In the middle of his career he had a particular purple patch in which he had the one-day game worked out, rising to a peak of number two in the world, and not dropping out of the world's top five for two years. He conceded 2.5 runs an over or less no fewer than 18 times in his career, including spells like 10 overs for seven, seven overs for nine, 10 overs for 16, and so on. Missing out on Hogg was pretty fortunate really.

@Aislabie 's XI so far:
1. :saf: :bat: Barry Richards
2. :saf: :bat: Herschelle Gibbs
3. :saf: :bat: Faf du Plessis
4. :ind: :wkb: Rahul Dravid (L)
5. :ned: :ar: Ryan ten Doeschate (L)
6. :eng: :ar: Andrew Flintoff (P)
7. :saf: :ar: Mike Procter
8. :afg: :ar: Rashid Khan
9. :zim: :bwl: Ray Price
10. :pak: :bwl: Waqar Younis (L)
11. :zim: :bwl: Pommie Mbangwa (L)

And there's my team. One which I believe fulfils all 15 roles you have in the modern one-day international team:

|Primary Role|Secondary Role
Richards |:bat: Dynamic Accumulator|-
Gibbs |:bat: Top-Order Hitter|-
du Plessis |:bat: Top-Order Hitter|-
Dravid |:bat: Anchor Accumulator|:wk: Wicket-Keeper
ten Doeschate |:bat: Middle-Order Hitter|-
Flintoff |:bwl: Attacking Seamer|:bat: Middle-Order Hitter
Procter |:bwl: Death Bowler|:bat: Middle-Order Hitter
Khan |:bwl: Attacking Spinner|:bat: Firefighter
Price |:bwl: Stock Spinner|-
Younis |:bwl: Express Pace Bowler|-
Mbangwa |:bwl: Stock Seamer|-
 

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I absolutely love everyone's teams, one of my favourite drafts since the budget draft
 

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And here we have something I never quite got round to finishing for the Layer Cake Draft (but might still do at some point in the future because lockdown)

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:slvo:

1. :eng: :bat: Graham Gooch
2. :wi: :bat: Desmond Haynes
3. :aus: :bat: Ricky Ponting (P)
4. :ber: :bat: James Celestine (L)
5. :pak: :wkb: Saleem Malik
6. :pak: :ar: Imran Khan (L)
7. :pak: :ar: Shahid Afridi
8. :nzf: :ar: Daniel Vettori
9. :zim: :ar: Mluleki Nkala (L)
10. :eng: :bwl: Darren Gough
11. :ban: :bwl: Mustafizur Rahman (L)

:tick: You've got a pretty balanced batting order in there really; batting down to eight means that you can carry one or two guys failing.
:tick: And also a pretty good bowling attack - Khan, Gough, Fizz, Vettori and Afridi is a really good quintet, and Nkala can fill in with the odd over.
:x: Hmmm... you've tried to hide him in there, but James Celestine at four isn't fooling anyone. And probably neither is Saleem Malik trying to stop Afridi's quicker ball.

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@Aislabie :goldo:

1. :saf: :bat: Barry Richards
2. :saf: :bat: Herschelle Gibbs
3. :saf: :bat: Faf du Plessis
4. :ind: :wkb: Rahul Dravid (L)
5. :ned: :ar: Ryan ten Doeschate (L)
6. :eng: :ar: Andrew Flintoff (P)
7. :saf: :ar: Mike Procter
8. :afg: :ar: Rashid Khan
9. :zim: :bwl: Ray Price
10. :pak: :bwl: Waqar Younis (L)
11. :zim: :bwl: Pommie Mbangwa (L)

:tick: Thanks to having four or five dual-role cricketers, this team is able to cover all 15 player roles that make up a perfectly balanced ODI team.
:tick: No fewer than three bowlers capable of sending down 90+ mph yorkers in Younis, Procter and Flintoff
:x: We have selected a non-specialist wicket-keeper; even if he's not the worst, he's still not a specialist.

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@Bevab :goldo:

1. :eng: :wkb: Jonny Bairstow (P)
2. :aus: :ar: Shane Watson
3. :saf: :ar: Clive Rice
4. :wi: :ar: Viv Richards (L)
5. :aus: :ar: Andrew Symonds
6. :aus: :bat: Mike Hussey
7. :wi: :ar: Franklyn Stephenson
8. :aus: :ar: Brad Hogg
9. :ban: :ar: Naimur Rahman (L)
10. :sco: :x: Moneeb Iqbal (L)
11. :eng: :bwl: Monty Panesar (L)

:tick: You weren't dealt an easy hand with two Panesars and Panesar from the Lucky Dip, but you filled your side with so many dual role players that it didn't even matter in the end.
:tick: You also developed a knack for picking my players right before I got to them - in particular Hogg and Hussey, when I'd already half-written their previews.
:x: Perhaps a slight lack of outright pace in your bowling attack? Rice could crank it up but he's batting at three, and there's no-one else really who could bowl proper gas.

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@blockerdave :slvo:

1. :eng: :bat: Dennis Amiss
2. :saf: :ar: Basil D'Oliveira
3. :ken: :ar: Steve Tikolo (L)
4. :eng: :ar: Ted Dexter
5. :saf: :bat: Colin Bland
6. :aus: :bat: Michael Bevan (L)
7. :saf: :wk: Denis Lindsay
8. :saf: :ar: Garth Le Roux
9. :ire: :ar: Andre Botha (L)
10. :wi: :bwl: Joel Garner (P)
11. :sco: :x: Omer Hussain (L)

:tick: Again, plenty of dual role cricketers allowing the team to cover 15 roles, despite carrying Omer Hussain down there at fine leg.
:tick: This side bats very deep - even though there aren't too many outright hitters, there's enough batting to come that they have the freedom to hit.
:x: There is a bit of a lack of attacking bowlers; a lot of this attack bowls dibbly-dobbly medium pace and cutters.

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@CerealKiller :bro:

1. :eng: :bat: Sam Hain (L)
2. :nzf: :bat: Martin Crowe
3. :pak: :bat: Javed Miandad
4. :aus: :bat: Damien Martyn
5. :wi: :bat: Sir Clive Lloyd
6. :nzf: :ar: Chris Cairns
7. :pak: :ar: Wasim Akram (P)
8. :eng: :wk: Tim Ambrose (L)
9. :nzf: :ar: John Bracewell (L)
10. :saf: :bwl: Makhaya Ntini
11. :nzf: :bwl: Chris Martin (L)

:tick: It's not completely conventional, but that is a batting lineup that absolutely works. You never set out meaning to put Akram in the top seven, but it works in this side.
:tick: And about that - Wasim Akram and Makhaya Ntini with the new ball would be horrible (for everyone else); two of the most difficult fast bowlers of recent decades to face.
:x: There's no way around it though, this side is a bowler short - you have rather ended up with Bracewell, Martin and probably Clive Lloyd splitting 20 overs.

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@DalePlaysCricket :bro:

1. :sri: :wk: Romesh Kaluwitharana (L)
2. :sco: :bat: Kyle Coetzer
3. :eng: :bat: Kevin Pietersen (P)
4. :aus: :bat: Michael Clarke
5. :eng: :ar: Ben Stokes
6. :eng: :wkb: Jos Buttler
7. :sco: :ar: Gavin Hamilton (L)
8. :aus: :ar: Chris Simpson (L)
9. :pak: :bwl: Mushtaq Ahmed
10. :ind: :bwl: Srinivas Venkataraghavan (L)
11. :ind: :bwl: Javagal Srinath

:tick: The engine room on this side is excellent - Pietersen, Clarke, Stokes and Buttler are all generally regarded as top-class ODI players, even though three of them are English.
:tick: You've got a spin attack that would weirdly kind of work - Mushy attacking at one end, and Venkat bowling dots at the other. Simpson just kinda wheeling his arms at mid-off hoping to get a bowl.
:x: There is a lack of real out-and-out pace here though - the quickest bowler in the attack is Stokes, and there's no-one else exactly queuing up for death overs.

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1. :ind: :bat: Gautam Gambhir
2. :pak: :bat: Shan Masood
3. :aus: :bat: Usman Khawaja
4. :eng: :bat: Joe Root
5. :pak: :bat: Inzamam Ul-Haq (L)
6. :ind: :ar: Ajay Sharma (P)
7. :ned: :ar: Tim de Leede (L)
8. :ind: :bwl: Bhuvneshwar Kumar
9. :nzf: :bwl: Trent Boult
10. :zim: :bwl: Adam Huckle (L)
11. :eng: :wk: Ray Julian (L)

:tick: Not many bowling attacks will be able to get through that entire top-five; they're all pretty dynamic accumulators who put a high price on their wickets.
:tick: A new ball attack of Boult and Bhuvi will certainly be able to extract movement from the new ball.
:x: For real though, where's your hitting? Where's your bowling? Why did you protect Ajay Sharma? I feel like you went to be creative with your picks, but they just didn't quite fit together.

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@El Loco :goldo:

1. :wi: :bat: Gordon Greenidge
2. :nz: :bat: Glenn Turner
3. :aus: :bat: Dean Jones
4. :saf: :wkb: AB de Villiers (P)
5. :saf: :ar: JP Duminy (L)
6. :aus: :ar: Allan Border
7. :eng: :bat: Mike Brearley (L)
8. :zim: :ar: Malcolm Waller (L)
9. :eng: :bwl: Bob Willis
10. :nz: :bwl: Shane Bond
11. :pak: :bwl: Shoaib Akhtar (L)

:tick: You've just about got all 15 roles covered here, which is very important and impressive considering that you copped a couple of Panesars.
:tick: This is a team with so many strong leaders - Turner, Jones, AB, Border and Willis will all be a valuable brains trust for Mike Brearley (well-used as a firefighter) to turn to.
:x: The pace attack is outstanding, but this team maybe lacks a quality spinner; Duminy, Border and Waller will have to share 20 overs between them.

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@Na Maloom Afraad :bro:

1. :ind: :bat: Sachin Tendulkar (P)
2. :eng: :ar: Ian Botham
3. :saf: :bat: Graeme Pollock
4. :nzf: :bat: Ross Taylor
5. :aus: :bat: Brad Hodge
6. :pak: :ar: Abdul Razzaq
7. :saf: :ar: Lance Klusener
8. :ber: :wk: Kwame Tucker (L)
9. :ber: :bwl: Dwayne Leverock (L)
10. :ind: :bwl: Narendra Hirwani (L)
11. :ken: :x: Josephat Ababu (L)

:tick: Honestly, you came really close to creating a properly balanced ODI team here despite the rather obvious handicap you were given in the Lucky Dip. Four Panesars. Oof.
:tick: That is a properly good top seven - Hodge was a left-field pick, but his record shows that he was a good selection for his role.
:x: You did miss out on a couple of players I personally would have picked for you in the early rounds, in particular Mike Procter (who I was able to get hold of).

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@Yash. :slvo:

1. :eng: :bat: Jason Roy
2. :ind: :bat: Shubman Gill (L)
3. :pak: :bat: Zaheer Abbas (P)
4. :aus: :ar: Darren Lehmann
5. :eng: :wkb: Eoin Morgan
6. :wi: :ar: Garry Sobers (L)
7. :eng: :ar: Chris Old
8. :eng: :ar: Jamie Dalrymple (L)
9. :saf: :bwl: Allan Donald
10. :eng: :bwl: Neal Radford
11. :ind: :bwl: Yuzvendra Chahal (L)

:tick: This team has an excellent top six; the underrated Lehmann will really bring it together, and allow hitters like Roy, Abbas, Morgan and Sobers to face as many balls as possible.
:tick: In Allan Donald and Chris Old you've got a solid new ball attack, and Lehmann, Sobers, Dalrymple and Chahal will be an interesting and varied spin attack for 20 or 25 overs between them.
:x: I really don't get the pick of Neal Radford in this side. Could have used that pick better to pick a proper keeper rather than giving it to Morgan to do.

= = =

So, how do I rate the teams?

Well, it seems harsh to just put all the teams from best to worst because there was a real element of chance with the Lucky Dip, but I do think there are probably three kinds of teams to come out of this draft. There are those who maybe got saddled with a couple of bad players from their Lucky Dips, and just couldn't quite get the balance of the side back together (like receiving four Panesars). There are those who made one or two selections that threw the rest of their side out of whack (like Neal Radford rather than a wicket-keeper). And there are those teams which came together really nice and were properly balanced. There was also the team whose protected player was Ajay Sharma and didn't really fix itself after that.
 

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Love your analysis... As for my team yeah saleem might let a few things slip by, but I think he'll more than make up for it with the bat
 

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@Aislabie random ques. Why is the name of the draft Lasagne draft?
 

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:x: There is a lack of real out-and-out pace here though - the quickest bowler in the attack is Stokes, and there's no-one else exactly queueing up for death overs.
Well I don't agree with this. Javagal Srinath in his peak days was a mile quicker than Ben Stokes. He consistently bowled over 140 kph. And I remember correctly in 2003 WC match against New Zealand most of his deliveries were over 145 kph.
 

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@Aislabie random ques. Why is the name of the draft Lasagne draft?
Because the original was the Layer Cake Draft, so I also wanted to name this one after a food with layers.

Well I don't agree with this. Javagal Srinath in his peak days was a mile quicker than Ben Stokes. He consistently bowled over 140 kph. And I remember correctly in 2003 WC match against New Zealand most of his deliveries were over 145 kph.
Stokes can certainly crank it up to high speeds; he's such an athlete that his slightly inefficient action doesn't stop that happening, it just breaks his body to do it. Fair point re: Srinath though; I genuinely don't remember him being over fast-medium, but I shall bow to your superior knowledge on him.
 

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We then moved on to our second game against India, at Boland Bank Park. In all 236 was quite a decent score, as it wasn't the easiest of pitches to bat on, and Srinath I think bowled the quickest that any of our guys had ever seen. He bowled a really quick spell early on, even quicker than Allan Donald; he was timed at 157 km/h, a good 10 km/h faster than Donald was bowling throughout the tournament. Grant Flower was hit on the thigh pad, and when he came off he said he thought he had broken his leg!

- Alastair Campbell

In any case, I've heard Srinath being genuinely threatening in the 90s until injuries took their toll and forced him to be a lot more slower. Not sure if he was bowling that quick in the 2003 WC though, he had already retired by that point and was pretty much persuaded to come back for one last tournament by Dada.
 

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In any case, I've heard Srinath being genuinely threatening in the 90s until injuries took their toll and forced him to be a lot more slower. Not sure if he was bowling that quick in the 2003 WC though, he had already retired by that point and was pretty much persuaded to come back for one last tournament by Dada.
Yeah right he wasn't bowling that quick in 2003 WC. It was actually Zak who was bowling at that pace.
 

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