The Reintegration Thread

The thing is this book is rather pointless. It serves no purpose, looking in from the outside I feel that Pietersen was a victim of a bunch of jealous cats in the dressing room who were minions to a control freak manager. The manager was a poor man manager, his primary role one would say, who let the dressing room get partitioned.

Talented players are often eccentric and hard to manage, and its the job of the manager to work around that and get the best out of the player. KP for all the demonising was still Eng's highest run scorer in the Ashes. How can his commitment be questioned in the face of this fact is beyond reason.

However, from Pietersen's point of view, the book achieves little and is really one last big paycheck. However which ever side of the debate you are on, there is only one winner in all of this and that is KP.

Those who wronged him will get their due, eventually, if they already haven't. Andy Flower is gone. He deserved to be booted really, but he resigned and no tears were shed, and that is its own reward in a way. Also with the terrible reputation on man management he leaves with, he is unlikely to find too many more takers rushing to sign him anytime soon. It will be a surprise if he ever gets another real job in coaching.

Prior too was booted for his loss in form. The injury is blatantly clear a convenient excuse to provide a cover up. His England career is done. Swann sort of got away by retiring, but KP's legacy, is still far far bigger than Swann's, and that is no small consolation in itself. At any rate, the lure of the T20 riches, that turned Prior and Swann, into jealous cats to begin with, will forever elude these two. KP will continue to mint it on the high paying T20 circuit for a few years to come, while they can watch as do commentary or write lame newspaper columns, mostly trying to bash the money in domestic T20 and how its a bad thing. I definitely see how it was a bad thing for Swann and Prior!

There remains Cook, although its clear that KP has no real beef with him apart from the fact that there were always very interesting things going on with his shoe. Its true that India's lack of any kind of a spine in the last three tests gave him a respite for the time being, but next year's WC and Ashes should really be it for him in all likelihood.

KP leaves with a bigger legacy in the game than any of the minnion lot, and the reason that the minnions started going at KP to begin with, T20 riches, will never be theirs any way. KP will keep getting richer, and the eyes of minions will keep getting greener.

Lastly the one big disappointment was when, KP when playing for Surrey was booed by the fans. When I read it, I said that is a total disgrace. The fans don't owe their allegiance to one clique within the team. Fans owe their allegiance to everyone who played for their side, and once he is out, for whatever reasons, they need to thank they player for what he did on the field. Fans are supposed to not care about the "inside" gossip within a team. Who is a player close to, who is he friends with, who are his enemies, etc. Its not some reality show.

To boo, KP because of the Flower Clique, and forget all the thousands of runs he scored, and the numerous matches he won for you and was a disgrace. Disgrace not for KP, but for those who booed him that day.

KP is the only winner from all of this. He leaves with a bigger cricketing legacy and much richer than the lot. What did the rest of them get out of this? Nothing.
 
I think the revelations about Prior, Broad and Swann acting like idiots around the team is hardly totally out there. Prior and Broad certainly give off an air of that on the field, so it's quite believable. And while I think Swann does come across quite well mostly, it's no great surprise to hear that he has a different side, within a team environment. I think it's more surprising if Anderson gets stick for this sort of thing, but it does mostly seem to be a case of banding his name in with the rest.

I think the thing we have to realise is there are probably just as many stories that could go the other way, with stories about the way KP was, so it's hard to know what is true and what is just retaliation.

I don't get all the stick that Flower is getting though. I mean I appreciate it all came tumbling down in Australia, but he also did a lot of good in that role and it just seems (from the quotes I've seen) that KP wants to lay the blame at his door for the whole sacking incident and he's (maybe rightfully depending on your view) very bitter about it.

All in all, I'm sure we'll hear much more about all this, but I'm glad it's out there, because it's a step on the way to getting over all this. I'm just bored of it to be honest.
 
He didn't just delegate it to Prior in Sydney; he delegated it to a guy who had been dropped (who then proceeded to trash Flower and grass up KP for agreeing with him).

I could believe the IPL stuff as well - that as KP was the only one who got bought it was an easy thing to move against him on.

Equally I could believe there was some degree of jealousy in there. KP's batting gift is something beyond the powers of any of his detractors. Maybe they resented the KP genius tag not so much for the hubris of the man concerned as for the fact that ultimately, there was truth in it.
 
I could believe the IPL stuff as well - that as KP was the only one who got bought it was an easy thing to move against him on.

Equally I could believe there was some degree of jealousy in there. KP's batting gift is something beyond the powers of any of his detractors. Maybe they resented the KP genius tag not so much for the hubris of the man concerned as for the fact that ultimately, there was truth in it.

The IPL issue exposed the ECB concerns, jealously towards the tournament & how rigid the contract system was, which i don't think has been fixed since this saga broke out.

The main reason IPL never target ENG "centrally" contracted players is because it did not encourage no flexibility to play in that tournament. I recall guys like Swann, Broad, Anderson was selected in early auctions but after a while, IPL didn't bother. KP kept getting picked because he obviously was one of the best.

It was much easier for IPL franchises to pick player on incremental ECB contracts like Bopara, Morgan, Hales. That contract inflexibility, plus the grueling scheduled irritated KP circa 2012 when he first retired from ODI after the UAE & the ECB tried to twist it to make it sound as if KP was just after IPL money.
 
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i don't think it was "absolutely disgraceful". the act itself is pretty neutral.

you'd see similar in a healthy dressing room. countless club sides will have likely had something similar happen and it's all been in good fun.

the problem is that it was in the context of an unhealthy dressing room and it proved destructive.

absolute bull. it's the definition of taking the private sphere of the dressing room in to the public domain. you'll have plenty of piss taking in a healthy dressing room for sure, but when trying to publicly humiliate a member of the team is absolutely disgraceful.
 
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I didn't see any tweets from that account that took anything private from the dressing room (that of course would be "absolutely disgraceful"). It was all about playing on his public image of being an ego on legs and about stuff already in the public domain. Maybe I missed something. It's not public humiliation when it's a joke according to a view of him that was already very prevalent amongst the public.
 
Agnew is being extremely mendacious on the radio this morning.
"The bowlers turned on him after textgate where he used offensive terms about Strauss and betrayed team secrets" is incredibly inaccurate.
KPGenius before textgate anyone?
Texts sent to KP
Texts did not contain tactical information.

There is balance from Atherton, from Vaughan, from George Dobell but nothing but continued vindictiveness from Agnew. He's almost as bad as Paul Newman these days.
 
I didn't see any tweets from that account that took anything private from the dressing room (that of course would be "absolutely disgraceful"). It was all about playing on his public image of being an ego on legs and about stuff already in the public domain. Maybe I missed something. It's not public humiliation when it's a joke according to a view of him that was already very prevalent amongst the public.
It's members of his team orchestrating a public humiliation, that is nothing other than disgraceful and so far beyond the acceptable realms of normal dressing room piss taking. Dressing room = private, twitter = public. I can't believe that has to be pointed out.
 
Did anyone see KP on breakfast this morning? I only caught the last 2 minutes. He seemed in good spirits :)
 
ya obviously the guy should be relieved i cant imagine being chucked out of your job and then waiting for 6 months to get it off!
 
And typically we have the coward Swann coming out dismissing as fiction something he hasn't read. Absolute idiot that guy - not only instrumental in the KP Genius account which did as much as anything to destabilise the dressing room (and for which he should have been sacked) but when the heat comes on he runs crying to mummy to keep his bowling average under 30. Absolute ******.
 
It's members of his team orchestrating a public humiliation, that is nothing other than disgraceful and so far beyond the acceptable realms of normal dressing room piss taking. Dressing room = private, twitter = public. I can't believe that has to be pointed out.

Do you think those responsible thought "right, we'll humiliate KP as much as possible in public... I know. A parody twitter account will do the trick"

they at most wanted him to be slightly embarrassed/taken down a peg. But more likely they were just being stupid and didn't think it through and just wanted a cheap laugh and it spiraled out of control.

Of course it was stupid, of course it shouldn't have happened, of course it shouldn't have been swept under the carpet like it was and of course those responsible should have punished and the issues of the dressing room addressed. None of that happened.

But saying strong things like it was "absolutely disgraceful" and a sackable offence for Swann is pretty far detached form the reality of what happened.

I think the effect of the twitter account has taken on more significance than it needed to, because it wasn't dealt with properly and lead to greater problems down the road.

The fact it happened and the poor way it was dealt with was a symptom of the problems that were present. it wasn't an incident that created anything new, just lit a fire under what was there.
 
And typically we have the coward Swann coming out dismissing as fiction something he hasn't read. Absolute idiot that guy - not only instrumental in the KP Genius account which did as much as anything to destabilise the dressing room (and for which he should have been sacked) but when the heat comes on he runs crying to mummy to keep his bowling average under 30. Absolute ******.

I'm a big Swann fan but I can absolutely see how his personality leads to a poor and unwelcoming team culture. The Tremlett tweet was interesting and I think we maybe won't get more supporting evidence on KP's view until Compton/Carberry etc retire and write their books.
 
Swann's one of those guys who thinks being loud and joking a lot automatically makes you a big character. Great to have around when things are going well, great to celebrate with.

But when things start going badly and you need a big character he turns a little nasty and the jokes disappear.
 

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