The Reintegration Thread

[barmyarmy]

Just a 20 minute article cos I was getting really annoyed reading the same myths again and again:
PlanetCricket - Your home for Cricket Games and Discussion » KP – dispelling the myths

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Good points, and it's amazing that this stuff actually needs pointing out.

Supposedly impartial journos are still going full speed ahead with ECB-sourced bullshit claims and obviously inaccurate analysis long after you'd expect them to reverse course out of sheer common sense.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Good points, and it's amazing that this stuff actually needs pointing out.

Supposedly impartial journos are still going full speed ahead with ECB-sourced bullshit claims and obviously inaccurate analysis long after you'd expect them to reverse course out of sheer common sense.

it's a rampant problem in sports journalism. peddle the lies you're told by a club/organisation or act as an extension of their PR department and they'll help you get ahead and keep feeding you stuff.

speak out, you're cut off from the supply line and your career falters.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

I'd expect them to at least try to disguise the appearance of it at this stage. One of the points the ECB is supposed to be trying to refute is that they're trying to control the narrative through strategic leaks to tame sportshacks.

The ECB's pr strategies seem to be operating at the same impossible levels of incompetence and failure as their cricket management strategies.

 

[grkrama]

Just a 20 minute article cos I was getting really annoyed reading the same myths again and again:
PlanetCricket - Your home for Cricket Games and Discussion » KP – dispelling the myths

nice read ...clear detailing of facts available and how these journos are trying to gloss it all over just by shouting more!

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I'd expect them to at least try to disguise the appearance of it at this stage. One of the points the ECB is supposed to be trying to refute is that they're trying to control the narrative through strategic leaks to tame sportshacks.

The ECB's pr strategies seem to be operating at the same impossible levels of incompetence and failure as their cricket management strategies.

yes but we aren't likely to ever have an open and comprehensive view of the facts. it's likely always going to come down to "he said x, he said y". so the ecb/certain journos know that a certain % of people will just buy it. they've lost those who don't already.

 

[barmyarmy]

I agree but I still think it's the wrong thing for Swann et al to do to totally deny any bullying went on. I think something along the lines of,
"we probably went too far on occasion and it's something we will try to do better as a team in future" kills the story far better than "it never happened; he's making it up."

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Definitely agree with that. But in the case of Swann I'd guess he doesn't realise what he is doing bullying. He genuinely believes it's just "banter" rather than knowing that he has been an arse and just stonewalling the criticism.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Suspect some of these statements are going to look pretty dubious in a few months time.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Definitely agree with that. But in the case of Swann I'd guess he doesn't realise what he is doing bullying. He genuinely believes it's just "banter" rather than knowing that he has been an arse and just stonewalling the criticism.

I think it's possible Swann didn't realise. More likely there's also a degree of failing to empathise, and a degree of entitlement as someone who was secure in the team and never playing for his place.

 

[blockerdave]

Just a 20 minute article cos I was getting really annoyed reading the same myths again and again:
PlanetCricket - Your home for Cricket Games and Discussion » KP – dispelling the myths

Barmy that article is outstanding. It's a genuine pity it's "only" here and won't be more widely read.

 

[grkrama]

It's a genuine pity it's "only" here and won't be more widely read.

well i have tried tweeting it to morgan and KP

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I think it's possible Swann didn't realise. More likely there's also a degree of failing to empathise, and a degree of entitlement as someone who was secure in the team and never playing for his place.

definitely the latter. the three bowlers (plus prior) were almost untouchable

I think the idea amongst the team was swann/anderson/broad will win matches if the other guys support them. A third seamer to do donkey work, a top 6 to consistently grind out ~600 in a match rather than set 450/500 first up. Explains why finn was marginalised and underutilised as an uneconomical wicket taker (i.e. match winner) and the one batsmen capable of singlehandedly winning matches and the side's actual best player wasn't handled like that type of player should have been.

Everything was geared around them, they knew it and they acted like it.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

And it's the management's job to ensure that sort of situation doesn't develop.

It's the captain's job too, but who picks the captain? Who is supposed to fire him if he can't control his own team?

The ECB has had its pants pulled right down to its ankles over the last couple of days. Pants that turned out to be on fire.

 

[War]

definitely the latter. the three bowlers (plus prior) were almost untouchable

I think the idea amongst the team was swann/anderson/broad will win matches if the other guys support them. A third seamer to do donkey work, a top 6 to consistently grind out ~600 in a match rather than set 450/500 first up. Explains why finn was marginalised and underutilised as an uneconomical wicket taker (i.e. match winner) and the one batsmen capable of singlehandedly winning matches and the side's actual best player wasn't handled like that type of player should have been.

Everything was geared around them, they knew it and they acted like it.

Yep exactly right, been saying it for years. This is why Bresnan/Tremlett kept playing even when he was past his best instead of Finn. Why Compton was stupidly dropped & why when the team got to # 1 according to the faulty ranking system (they never actually were better than S Africa as the 2012 loss showed) they were generally viewed as a boring side.