The Silence Of The Lambs Mafia - Endgame - SK (Sulaiman7) WINS

[barmyarmy]

Here are the claims. I'm going to give my thoughts later but I'd like Zhuorb, thedon5 and Sulaiman in particular to analyse them:

Surendar - Clarice Starling - Cop
barmyarmy - US Senator Ruth Martin - Governor
yashdude - Jack Crawford - Cop
thedon5 - Ardelia Mapp - Vanilla
Zhuorb - Frederick Chilton - Doctor
P Squared - Catherine Martin - Vanilla
Sulaiman - Barney Matthews - Vanilla

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Day ends in about 48 hours at least.

Quick someone. Jump in and ask for an extension to prove that you're town...

 

[thedon5]

Here are the claims. I'm going to give my thoughts later but I'd like Zhuorb, thedon5 and Sulaiman in particular to analyse them:

Surendar - Clarice Starling - Cop
barmyarmy - US Senator Ruth Martin - Governor
yashdude - Jack Crawford - Cop
thedon5 - Ardelia Mapp - Vanilla
Zhuorb - Frederick Chilton - Doctor
P Squared - Catherine Martin - Vanilla
Sulaiman - Barney Matthews - Vanilla

Why me? I've been analysing claims the entire game.

I see no reason why there HAS to be a doctor.

There has to be at least two vanilla townies. So for me that almost 100% clears P Squared, there is the off chance that perhaps he is Mafia and Sulaiman is actually the 100% townie, but I'm not sure. Still not ready to judge Sulaiman, hasn't looked overly Mafia, but it's possible looking at the claims and the set-up.

I still think either you or Zhuorb are Mafia.

 

[barmyarmy]

You because I think two of the three names I gave are mafia.

 

[thedon5]

You because I think two of the three names I gave are mafia.

Lol. At most you could say my claim was a bit selfish, but not scummy. You going to give any reasons? I think you could be Mafia, so I would like to see your current thoughts as well.

 

[barmyarmy]

I've said I'll give my thoughts after the people I mentioned do.

You're on there because of process of elimination. A vanilla claim is easy to make and I believe P Squared is town and think Surendar is probably just playing badly and too valuable to lynch off.
I can't honestly say there is anything in your posts that is scummy but to mark you are definite town on that basis as some others seem to have done is just poor play again.

 

[thedon5]

I've said I'll give my thoughts after the people I mentioned do.

You're on there because of process of elimination. A vanilla claim is easy to make and I believe P Squared is town and think Surendar is probably just playing badly and too valuable to lynch off.
I can't honestly say there is anything in your posts that is scummy but to mark you are definite town on that basis as some others seem to have done is just poor play again.

OK I agree.

It's by elimination that I'm considering Sulaiman as Mafia too.

 

[ved_]

The problem with Zhuorb is that it's hard to take any of his FOSs or lynches seroiusly as they're usually backed up by totally flawed logic; like that part about Senator Martin being a serial killer.

THAT was a reply to someone's accusation of Martin being a SK. No need to get all facepalmy about it.

 

[barmyarmy]

Now you're here do what I asked and give me your thoughts on the list I posted.

 

[ved_]

The bolded part is a problem for me, that was just a theory I had before the end of day 1, that is no reason to believe everything surendar says as gospel. Something tells me you were looking for a reason, any reason to side with him, and you just used that. You too easily believed surendar's claim.

You seem very keen to lynch Colin off and aren't even ready to consider that perhaps Colin is telling the truth and surendar is lying. You were also explaining things FOR surendar, too far for me. The whole ending to this post gives me a massive Mafia quick-lynch vibe.



You changed your mind so easily too. You believed Colin seemingly unconditionally on day 1, this was the extent of your contribution after Colin's claim as well as this post:



OK so a soft claim here and a possible attempt yet again to try and clear surendar to some extent.

You've been very keen to discuss power roles, what about myself, Sulaiman and P Squared? There is every chance that there is a Mafia amongst us. In fact it would make sense that the Mafia have one power role fake claim and one vanilla fake claim (in this case, .

Am I suspicious of you? Yes. Am I convinced you're Mafia? Nope. Do I think you're in a team with surendar? Not necessarily, as due to the size of the game, it is possible you are following him as you want to get in a mislynch on Colin. But, the way I see it, either you or Colin must be Mafia.

So FOS: barmarmy, Zhuorb.

Umm, I bought the theory because it worked along with the theme of the movie. I am certainly not looking for any reason to side with surendar. Anybody could believe it. I have my own reasons for it too. My PM stated that I'd get the name of the killer if Hannibal lecter is investigated by someone. Now I think that if there were one cop, Varun would've probably said that I'd get the name of the killer if the cop investigates him. That particular wording made me think.

Very keen to lynch barmyarmy? Hell no. I just stated that if he is the governor, then when we lynch him he can overturn to someone else. Or atleast that's what I thought, because this particular strategy is used on many setups in epicmafia.

I believed Colin very easily? Jeez you guys take everything out of hand. IT WAS THE ONLY CLAIM AT THE TIME lol. Now when you have 0 claims in the game, and someone comes up and claims governor(bolded for a reason), I'd normally think it is legitimate. Why? Because gov is UnCC'able, like I said. Or atleast on epicmafia(once again, I didn't know he couldn't OT off himself).

What you look at as 'taking sides' is what I look at as trying to contribute. I am very keen to discuss power roles, because I do not believe that there would be 4/5 PRs in a town. That would seriously screw with the balance of the game. Sure there may be one mafia in all the vanilla claims, but I don't think that there are 2 mafia in these.

 

[thedon5]

Now you're here do what I asked and give me your thoughts on the list I posted.

Or else you'll get a timeout!

 

[barmyarmy]

Or else you'll get a timeout!

Is that what we're calling lynching these days?

 

[surendar]

Interesting claims there. Only thing that really didn't go well is, Zuhorb's claim.

'If Hannibal is investigated I will get to know the name of the killer' - this one It is hard to accept as, even me(as a cop) will get only a clue on Bill that I am supposed to solve it & should not discuss/reveal directly( on what clue I got ) here but I can hint indirectly and lynch him after solving the clue. So you stating that you would get the direct name of Bill is hard to believe.

'Mafia can't kill me because I will protect' - as you are out as doc, you are sure to next victim tonight. So how are you so sure of tonight?

Means one more possibility - Lecter is mafia but can be doc to protect clarice only and Bill will appear as town in cops report as long as Lecter is alive/discloses the clue.

PS and Don are very clear in my books here. Would agree with Don on no separate need of doctor here as Lecter is always supporting Clarice in theme from start to end.

Zuhorb - I would need explanation of this please.

Colin - your repetitive style of pushing me into mafia category( like 'now someone ask for timeline extend to prove as town', 'how can be clarice be town if she lives with Hannibal in sequel' etc ) is getting you nowhere. This is typical mafia behavior and I can sense it well because its the same gameplay I did against Don in last game. You look mafia in all ways, even if I try to put Sulaiman/Zuhorb as mafia combo, I am not able to get evidence like you have built it for yourself.

 

[thedon5]

Umm, I bought the theory because it worked along with the theme of the movie. I am certainly not looking for any reason to side with surendar. Anybody could believe it. I have my own reasons for it too. My PM stated that I'd get the name of the killer if Hannibal lecter is investigated by someone. Now I think that if there were one cop, Varun would've probably said that I'd get the name of the killer if the cop investigates him. That particular wording made me think.

Very keen to lynch barmyarmy? Hell no. I just stated that if he is the governor, then when we lynch him he can overturn to someone else. Or atleast that's what I thought, because this particular strategy is used on many setups in epicmafia.

I believed Colin very easily? Jeez you guys take everything out of hand. IT WAS THE ONLY CLAIM AT THE TIME lol. Now when you have 0 claims in the game, and someone comes up and claims governor(bolded for a reason), I'd normally think it is legitimate. Why? Because gov is UnCC'able, like I said. Or atleast on epicmafia(once again, I didn't know he couldn't OT off himself).

What you look at as 'taking sides' is what I look at as trying to contribute. I am very keen to discuss power roles, because I do not believe that there would be 4/5 PRs in a town. That would seriously screw with the balance of the game. Sure there may be one mafia in all the vanilla claims, but I don't think that there are 2 mafia in these.

I don't think anyone thinks there are two Mafia amongst the vanillas. A game where there is just one vanilla wouldn't make sense.

The thing that makes me believe Sulaiman is how both our characters share the fact that they are useless. I had no idea that 'Barney' even had a name, same with 'Ardelia', they were just random unimportant characters to me. This is what makes me think one of these main characters may actually just be a fake claim, even Clarice maybe.

Then again, soft claiming is something I haven't seen Sulaiman do in the past. Maybe he's expanded his skillset, maybe he was told to do so by his partner.

Where to go from here? For me it is still between you and Colin, unless we get some decent evidence against Sulaiman, we can't lynch him off only due to a process of elimination.

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Is that what we're calling lynching these days?

Read your post again and think about why I posted that.

 

[ved_]

Here are the claims. I'm going to give my thoughts later but I'd like Zhuorb, thedon5 and Sulaiman in particular to analyse them:

Surendar - Clarice Starling - Cop
barmyarmy - US Senator Ruth Martin - Governor
yashdude - Jack Crawford - Cop
thedon5 - Ardelia Mapp - Vanilla
Zhuorb - Frederick Chilton - Doctor
P Squared - Catherine Martin - Vanilla
Sulaiman - Barney Matthews - Vanilla

My thoughts on this? I've already said what I wanted to. This is from my POV:

I'm town.

1. Surendar is legitimate, PS will be town as well. So 2 mafia from Sulaiman, thedon5 and barmyarmy. The governor will probably a fake-claim, because of my theory earlier.

2. Surendar is mafia, then we have 1 out of don/Sulaiman/PS/barmy as his partner. In this case, barmyarmy will most likely be town, leaving one of don/Sulaiman/PS to be the remaining mafia. P Squared will be the one with more focus out of these 3, mainly because of surendar's innocent report on him.

From a third party POV, if I'm mafia-
barmyarmy and surendar are mostly clear. 1 mafia from the vanilla claims. This will negate don's theory of me and barmy being the mafia team. AND it will also show that surendar will not be mafia along with me.

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Interesting claims there. Only thing that really didn't go well is, Zuhorb's claim.

'If Hannibal is investigated I will get to know the name of the killer' - this one It is hard to accept as, even me(as a cop) will get only a clue on Bill that I am supposed to solve it & should not discuss/reveal directly( on what clue I got ) here but I can hint indirectly and lynch him after solving the clue. So you stating that you would get the direct name of Bill is hard to believe.

'Mafia can't kill me because I will protect' - as you are out as doc, you are sure to next victim tonight. So how are you so sure of tonight?

Means one more possibility - Lecter is mafia but can be doc to protect clarice only and Bill will appear as town in cops report as long as Lecter is alive/discloses the clue.

PS and Don are very clear in my books here. Would agree with Don on no separate need of doctor here as Lecter is always supporting Clarice in theme from start to end.

Zuhorb - I would need explanation of this please.

Colin - your repetitive style of pushing me into mafia category( like 'now someone ask for timeline extend to prove as town', 'how can be clarice be town if she lives with Hannibal in sequel' etc ) is getting you nowhere. This is typical mafia behavior and I can sense it well because its the same gameplay I did against Don in last game. You look mafia in all ways, even if I try to put Sulaiman/Zuhorb as mafia combo, I am not able to get evidence like you have built it for yourself.

Eh. I think that referred to the part where Chilton records Clarisse's conversation with Lecter.
Mafia can kill me, but they cannot kill my target, because I'd be on him tonight. I never said that I'd be surviving this night.
On a side note, the game will be decided this day. If a mafia is lynched off it'd be a pretty dick move to kill me. Just saying.

 

[thedon5]

Interesting claims there. Only thing that really didn't go well is, Zuhorb's claim.

'If Hannibal is investigated I will get to know the name of the killer' - this one It is hard to accept as, even me(as a cop) will get only a clue on Bill that I am supposed to solve it & should not discuss/reveal directly( on what clue I got ) here but I can hint indirectly and lynch him after solving the clue. So you stating that you would get the direct name of Bill is hard to believe.

'Mafia can't kill me because I will protect' - as you are out as doc, you are sure to next victim tonight. So how are you so sure of tonight?

Means one more possibility - Lecter is mafia but can be doc to protect clarice only and Bill will appear as town in cops report as long as Lecter is alive/discloses the clue.

PS and Don are very clear in my books here. Would agree with Don on no separate need of doctor here as Lecter is always supporting Clarice in theme from start to end.

Zuhorb - I would need explanation of this please.

Colin - your repetitive style of pushing me into mafia category( like 'now someone ask for timeline extend to prove as town', 'how can be clarice be town if she lives with Hannibal in sequel' etc ) is getting you nowhere. This is typical mafia behavior and I can sense it well because its the same gameplay I did against Don in last game. You look mafia in all ways, even if I try to put Sulaiman/Zuhorb as mafia combo, I am not able to get evidence like you have built it for yourself.

I find that hard to believe too. However, I don't think it's something Zhuorb has just added in there - I feel it's very much a part of his role or his fake claim. I am not sure what the fake claims are like, but if they're elaborate like the actual roles with image and all, then it makes sense.

I'm not sure why Mafia would try and protect Clarice, i.e. a town member. Can you explain this further.

Colin has been a bit off for me this game. Usually he is by far the most helpful townie, it certainly hasn't been the case for me in this game. He has been showing quite a balanced perspective, which is good, but the thing is, Colin knows how to play as Mafia and he knows that he can appear as town if he shows this balanced perspective. Hence that element of his gameplay is not as much of a town tell on him as it is on someone else.

Anyway, we have time, at least a couple of days, so we don't need to rush to decisions.