The Smurfs Mafia - EndGame - Town Wins! (CG123, Hedger_14, BKB1991)

[CG123]

BTW if Ollie's telling the truth he'll be hammered now, he isn't though, so he still needs one more lynch from you BKB.

 

[Ollie_H]

I don't think I'm hammered because it was possibly a one time thing and if I'm not hammered now then Tom must have targeted me on Night 2 and I could have lost my power. The role pm isn't completely specific so I think my power might have gone one way or the other and if Tom attempted to 'kick me out the village' on night 2 then it would make sense as to why I no-longer only need one less vote to be lynched off.

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Also one of the main things mafia do is lie and and you have lied straight out here. You lied to us and could probably have made it all that up just so as to get me lynched.

Considering you lied: lynch: CG123

He's the last mafia hedger and BKB, he lied to us so he has to go.

 

[hedger_14]

Well I want BKB's input.

And I see Callum didn't post his results for night 4 which would make sense as Aditya never came online during that night but I'm not sure.

Ollie, what was your role again? I know you needed one less vote to be lynched but what was the rest of it.

 

[CG123]

Lol, you're lynching my because I lied to cover up being the cop?

You lied about your role as well, because you're not hammered at the moment. And you don't even have a good reason for it as well, because your reasoning above is extremely poor.

You and BKB both said it's likely that I'd be more than just a Vanilla townie, and I am. Brainy looks to be one of the main characters, so you'd think they have to be in the game. Why would I risk claiming as them?

Your character claim seems to not be a major character at all, which is why I was still suspicious of you yesterday when User "cleared" you, and it all adds up now after I investigated you last night.

Do the right thing Hedger and hammer him now, I'm 100% sure he's mafia.

What kind of mafia game doesn't have a cop?

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And I see Callum didn't post his results for night 4 which would make sense as Aditya never came online during that night but I'm not sure.

... I said:

The previous night Aditya went for P_Squared, which is why despite me not really following the game at all, I was immediately suspicious of him when I came along, because he got back the result "P_Squared is the 'Godfather'".

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Either way it's not really going to count if I win (because I only came along in day four), but if you want to win lynch Ollie, I guarantee you 100% he's mafia.

 

[hedger_14]

But he didn't come online during that period so how would he have investigated someone?

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Actually, I don't really believe you Callum. Why would Aditya claim vanilla? I don't think he is a smart enough player to do that while he had a role (No offence to him).

Unlynch: Ollie_H

I'm not sure yet on this. I'm going to wait for BKB to post his thoughts.

 

[CG123]

As I said above it doesn't really worry me that much, because I'm not really going to winning either way. I know Ollie's mafia though, so if you want to win lynch him, and if you don't lynch me.

It would be quite hilarious though if you guys don't think there's a cop in the game.

And to answer your first question, Papa_Smurf let me investigate someone when I came into the game (during day five), because Aditya didn't investigate anyone that night. When I came into the game P_Squared already had two or three lynches on him, so he was the obvious choice to investigate. I wasn't sure if I should post that here though, which is why I just said Aditya investigated him on night four.

Aditya's going to be a lot smarter player than you are if you don't manage to win from here, the cop has claimed and he's found a mafia member, and you're not lynching him...

Look into the character claims as well, Ollie's claim isn't even listed on this page because his character is such a random, a very easy Smurf to false claim as, while my character is one of only four Smurfs to have their own page on Wikipedia, so a mafia's not going to claim as them (along with Papa Smurf, Smurfette, and King Smurf). King Smurf didn't appear in the Cartoon though from what I can see, which is why he's probably not in this game.

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FTR Aditya's won two games before as well...

 

[hedger_14]

It would be quite hilarious though if you guys don't think there's a cop in the game.

I don't doubt that but it could have been Chewie who was the cop.

And Aditya has won a couple of times mainly because he doesn't help the town much and is very quiet so it doesn't hurt the mafia to keep him around (Again, no offence to him, it works and I haven't won a mafia game yet)


Like I said, I'm going to wait until Bilal posts his thoughts.

 

[CG123]

Fair enough, I think he may have actually thought I was the cop yesterday.

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By he I mean BKB.

 

[Ollie_H]

Ollie, what was your role again? I know you needed one less vote to be lynched but what was the rest of it.

The other bit was that I also had the ability to survive one night kill and considering that I seem to have survived the one lynch less, I must have lost that role when because Tom targeted me on night 2 when there was only one kill.

Look into the character claims as well, Ollie's claim isn't even listed on this page because his character is such a random, a very easy Smurf to false claim as, while my character is one of only four Smurfs to have their own page on Wikipedia, so a mafia's not going to claim as them (along with Papa Smurf, Smurfette, and King Smurf). King Smurf didn't appear in the Cartoon though from what I can see, which is why he's probably not in this game.

3 points:

1) You've conveniently managed to find seemingly the one site that doesn't show my character when there are plenty more that show Pretentious Smurf does exist.

2) From your Wikipedia site, other townie surfs don't have a page either. So why does that change anything? It's not like I'm the odd one out really is it by not having a page dedicated to me.

3) Finally, didn't Hedger in his Survivor Mafia leave out a few of the key characters to make it interesting. Whilst it's possible Papa Smurf could have done it in his game, in the end why would I claim to be something I'm not?

 

[CG123]

The other bit was that I also had the ability to survive one night kill and considering that I seem to have survived the one lynch less, I must have lost that role when because Tom targeted me on night 2 when there was only one kill.

Why would Tom targeting you make you lose that part of your role? If it's part of your role it's part of your role, you're just trying to cover the fact that you made it up and it never was part of your role.

3 points:

1) You've conveniently managed to find seemingly the one site that doesn't show my character when there are plenty more that show Pretentious Smurf does exist.

2) From your Wikipedia site, other townie surfs don't have a page either. So why does that change anything? It's not like I'm the odd one out really is it by not having a page dedicated to me.

3) Finally, didn't Hedger in his Survivor Mafia leave out a few of the key characters to make it interesting. Whilst it's possible Papa Smurf could have done it in his game, in the end why would I claim to be something I'm not?

1) If he was a main character he would exist on every site, hence I'm assuming he's one of the lesser character which is why you claimed as him, because you would be pretty certain he's not currently in the game.
2) I was using that to back up the fact that my character would be in the game, because he's one of the main characters.
3a) Yes, but we were given fake claims there, which PS said the mafia aren't here. Why would Adi have risked claiming as one of the major characters if we were mafia?
3b) Because you're mafia.

Both my character claim and my role claim are a lot stronger than yours:

Character claim - As I've pointed out Brainy looks to be one of the main characters, while Pretentious looks to be a lesser character which would be easy to claim as. As I said above if Adi was mafia it would have been a massive risk to claim as what seems to be one of the major maybe five Smurfs, while Ollie has claimed a Smurf that was unlikely to be in the game.

Role claim - Ollie's original role has got proven wrong, while I'm the cop. Yes I know Adi (and me originally claimed Vanilla), but that was to cover up being the cop why? I tossed up for 15 minutes or so whether to say I was it yesterday, and here's what ran through me head:

If I claimed:

1) I'm targeted by the mafia and User doesn't protect/roleblock me, I die.
2) I'm not targeted by the mafia and User does protect/roleblock me, I can't use my role.
3) I'm not targeted by the mafia and User doesn't protect/roleblock me, extremely unlikely considering that I've just revealed I'm the cop.

If I didn't claim:

1) I'm targeted by the mafia and User doesn't protect/roleblock me, I die. Defiantly less unlikely since I've claimed Vanilla.
2) I'm not targeted by the mafia and User does protect/roleblock me, I can't use my role. It was always a possibility which would have completely screwed us.
3) I'm not targeted by the mafia and User doesn't protect/roleblock me, which is what happened in the end.

So if I claimed it was very unlikely that I'd be able to do anything, because the two most likely things would have got me either killed, or if User protected me I wouldn't be able to use my role.

If I didn't claim, less likely to get both targeted and protected, so I could get the desired result which is what happened.

Seriously Ollie, anyone in that situation was half a brain would have lied.

As I said before when I wasn't playing (in response to BKB's post), it's about increasing your chances of winning by thinking through different scenarios, and then following through with the one that gives you the best chance of winning. Sometimes it won't work and sometimes it will, but it's all about increasing your chance of making it work, and in this case it did. (Yeah, this paragraph is a bit of a csb)

 

[hedger_14]

Well I'll let BKB decide. I'm lynching Ollie for the time being but I'm not using my power.

Lynch: Ollie_H

 

[BKB1991]

I don't think I'm hammered because it was possibly a one time thing and if I'm not hammered now then Tom must have targeted me on Night 2 and I could have lost my power. The role pm isn't completely specific so I think my power might have gone one way or the other and if Tom attempted to 'kick me out the village' on night 2 then it would make sense as to why I no-longer only need one less vote to be lynched off.

Dont really get this? Explain please. Either ways its unlikely that you are a townie, I didnt like your gameplay in Trevas lynch either. Just need to clarify what you are saying?

Also Smurf, Is the day not over? If it aint that means Ollies lying, meaning hes mafia.

I will just wait for Smurf and Ollie to reply, otherwise the game looks done. Cant rush to judgement now can we

 

[hedger_14]

Yeah, may as well wait for one last defence by Ollie but I think it's pretty likely he's mafia.

 

[Ollie_H]

bollox.

 

[hedger_14]

Ok, well may as well finish him off Bilal

I can't be bothered sending PS my role