Vaughan Will Definitely Miss Ashes

[evertonfan]

If you think that they are threat you can Add England's Under 19 team too in the Ashes then they all will be threat too.

I'm sorry, but have you ever seen England play?

Tresco on his day, is one of the best openers in the world and he is certainly one of the most consistent. When Harmison is on form he is one of the best new ball bowlers around. James Anderson, although unlikley to play, is a fine young seamer who has finally regained some form before injury intervened again. Panesar is England's best spinner since Laker, and if you need me to explain how good Hoggard is then you need shooting.

 

[y2j826]

I'm sorry, but have you ever seen England play?

Tresco on his day, is one of the best openers in the world and he is certainly one of the most consistent. When Harmison is on form he is one of the best new ball bowlers around. James Anderson, although unlikley to play, is a fine young seamer who has finally regained some form before injury intervened again. Panesar is England's best spinner since Laker, and if you need me to explain how good Hoggard is then you need shooting.

Have u seen Australia Playing, they r perfect thats why they r ruling over the no. 1 spot from last 4 years or so, and about last Ashes their players was not so fit that was the reason that they loose.

 

[evertonfan]

Have u seen Australia Playing, they r perfect thats why they r ruling over the no. 1 spot from last 4 years or so, and about last Ashes their players was not so fit that was the reason that they loose.

Yeah and is this the same 'perfect' Australia team which only just avoided the follow on against Bangladesh?

Australia are still the best in the world, but they are nowhere near as good as they were the last time we toured there.

 

[y2j826]

Yeah and is this the same 'perfect' Australia team which only just avoided the follow on against Bangladesh?

Australia are still the best in the world, but they are nowhere near as good as they were the last time we toured there.

At least they avoided the follow on and what S. Lanka did to England just few days ago not only draw the test series but also beat England 5-0 in the one day series, and England have no answer for that, Jayasuriya keep beating them again and again, 300+ runs was like kids game for them.

 

[evertonfan]

At least they avoided the follow on and what S. Lanka did to England just few days ago not only draw the test series but also beat England 5-0 in the one day series, and England have no answer for that, Jayasuriya keep beating them again and again, 300+ runs was like kids game for them.

I'm pretty sure Australia would struggle with a huge injury list like ours, because i've seen some of their back up players and they don't fit the bill, e.g, Lewis, Johnson

 

[cricketmad09]

I'm pretty sure Australia would struggle with a huge injury list like ours, because i've seen some of their back up players and they don't fit the bill, e.g, Lewis, Johnson

Really?

Who do you have out?

Vaughan
Pieterson
Flintoff
Giles
Jones

Say hypothetically they played for Australia, and they were out for us, who would we bring in?

Jaques
Cosgrove
Hodge
MacGill
Clark/Kaspa/Dizzy

Still struggling? I think not.

We just have ALOT more depth than you do.

Also the selectors are idiots. They are not selecting the best players. They've got no idea.

 

[James219]

Vaughan is particularly vital because of his role as a captain, meaning Jaques wouldn't really be an ideal substitute for him. Hodge for Pietersen? Yeah.....
The only dominant fit in your list would be MacGill, but you're right, the Australian selection panel are quite inept at this level, as demonstrated by some very poor moves over the past few years.

Have u seen Australia Playing, they r perfect thats why they r ruling over the no. 1 spot from last 4 years or so, and about last Ashes their players was not so fit that was the reason that they loose.

And who wasn't fit? Yes, McGrath was plagued with an ankle injury for the better part of the test leg, Lee had a graze and was in doubt for the second test as a result of suspected infection but ended up sharing the new ball with Gillespie, and Clarke had a minor back injury, yet still managed to participate in all five tests....wow.
England have a legitimate excuse, face it, but they'll have to get past that mentally well before November arrives.

 

[cricketmad09]

Vaughan is particularly vital because of his role as a captain, meaning Jaques wouldn't really be an ideal substitute for him. Hodge for Pietersen? Yeah.....
The only dominant fit in your list would be MacGill, but you're right, the Australian selection panel are quite inept at this level, as demonstrated by some very poor moves over the past few years.



And who wasn't fit? Yes, McGrath was plagued with an ankle injury for the better part of the test leg, Lee had a graze and was in doubt for the second test as a result of suspected infection but ended up sharing the new ball with Gillespie, and Clarke had a minor back injury, yet still managed to participate in all five tests....wow.
England have a legitimate excuse, face it, but they'll have to get past that mentally well before November arrives.

If somebody types like that, you can be assured that they are an idiot, so if you do or do not agree with them, it is easier to just ignore what they have to say.

 

[Sureshot]

Really?

Who do you have out?

Vaughan
Pieterson
Flintoff
Giles
Jones
Blackwell - Added by me
Anderson - added by me
Chapple - added by me (He may have never played in a big ODI or Test for England but he'd be good enough)

Say hypothetically they played for Australia, and they were out for us, who would we bring in?

Jaques
Cosgrove
Hodge
MacGill
Clark/Kaspa/Dizzy - Dizzy? He's hardly doing anything at Yorkshire, nothing like the bowler he was. Kaspa? Like Gillespie, nothing like the bowler he was, although he is better than Dizzy atm.

Still struggling? I think not.

We just have ALOT more depth than you do.

Also the selectors are idiots. They are not selecting the best players. They've got no idea.

The difference between the depth we have and the depth you have mentioned there is our depth is very young, inexperienced and raw. The Australian depth is better but also older. Like most of the current team.

Australia's depth is better than ours, but in 5 years, ours will be better. Clark, Kaspa and Dizzy would be all over 35, probably all bar Clark retired.

Because of Fletch's youth policy our oldest back up player would be Udal, but he was rare in that the next oldest back up after him would've been Blackwell (Unless I'm missing someone) who is 28-29.

Of the current Australia Test team who will be playing in 4 years?(If all were fit)

Gilchrist, Ponting, Clarke, Lee, and the first two would be 36-37.

Am I missing anyone from the current First Choice if all fit Australia team?

 

[James219]

Of the current Australia Test team who will be playing in 4 years?(If all were fit)

Gilchrist, Ponting, Clarke, Lee, and the first two would be 36-37.

Err, I think Gilchrist's retiring post-WC 2007, so probably only three of the current Australian fixtures would remain, I guess...

 

[Skater]

I think most knew this before it was confirmed. I was at Headingley for much of his comeback match in May and after fielding he did seem conscious of his knee. He said himself until he can play cricket without thinking about his knee all the time he is not fully fit.

 

[cricketmad09]

Of the current Australia Test team who will be playing in 4 years?(If all were fit)

Gilchrist, Ponting, Clarke, Lee, and the first two would be 36-37.

Am I missing anyone from the current First Choice if all fit Australia team?

Ponting, Lee, Hussey, Clarke, Warne has said he may play on until he is 40

But when those guys retire, we will see the emergence of players such as Jaques, Cosgrove and Tait, whom would all get a spot in England side at the moment, guaranteed.

 

[genghis_khan]

Tait wouldn't.

 

[evertonfan]

Warne has said he may play on until he is 40

I doubt that; he is just being optimistic and sligtly tongue in cheek. With his shoulder problems there wil be no way he will play 'till 40.

But when those guys retire, we will see the emergence of players such as Jaques, Cosgrove and Tait, whom would all get a spot in England side at the moment, guaranteed.

I'd rather have Strauss, Cook and Trescothick over Cosgrove and Jaques. As for Tait; don't make me laugh. I'd rather play Mahmood again.

 

[James219]

Tait's WAY better than Mahmood at present, but he wouldn't make a fully fit English side, that's for sure.
Who says any one of Ponting, Lee, Hussey, Clarke and Warne will be up to international standards at 40? Cricketer's are human, you know, they'll deteriorate soon enough.