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What is the point of watching half naked man fake fight each other:confused:
What is the point of watching half naked man fake fight each other:confused:
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Is Christian coming? I hope so.
Looks more that way, by the sounds of it. He's all but written off by TNA, as they had him beaten up at the end of iMPACT, and Kurt Angle comes on asking why he's going to WWE.
Apparently, WWE are holding off Edge's return so they can both return together (Edge and Christian). That would be mega.
*AnnoyingDevil's back to his old tricks. What a goon!
Looks more that way, by the sounds of it. He's all but written off by TNA, as they had him beaten up at the end of iMPACT, and Kurt Angle comes on asking why he's going to WWE.
Apparently, WWE are holding off Edge's return so they can both return together (Edge and Christian). That would be mega.
*AnnoyingDevil's back to his old tricks. What a goon!
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That's bullshit. Christian's all but quashed those rumours apparently. There were loads of rumours going around about him leaving TNA, but apparently he's had no talks what so ever with the TNA officials, and still has time left on his contract, and is apparently keen to renegotiate a contract. He wouldn't exactly be a huge loss to TNA anyway, he's not one of the best guys on the roster. I'd be far sadder if TNA lost someone like AJ, Joe or the young guys like Lethal and Creed.
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If you know more than Dave Metzler then I'd agree with you, but the fact is you don't and you don't have the inside contacts that he does either. Hence, the reason for his success, and why people trust everything that he says.
He has a track record for being right and hearing about things before they officially happen. This includes releases, signings, storylines etc etc. So, I'll believe what he says over you at this time, thank you.
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You also obviously didn't watch TNA this week...The Main Event Mafia confronted Christian, then beat him up because he's abandoning TNA for the WWE. "Going Away Party"
He has a track record for being right and hearing about things before they officially happen. This includes releases, signings, storylines etc etc. So, I'll believe what he says over you at this time, thank you.
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You also obviously didn't watch TNA this week...The Main Event Mafia confronted Christian, then beat him up because he's abandoning TNA for the WWE. "Going Away Party"
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I'm not sure how your depth of knowledge goes when it comes to the business, but the so called "Going Away Party" would have been no more than a simple Kayfabe. The word ring a bell to you? It's basically the portrayal of events within a wrestling show that are made out to be real. TNA do it quite alot, the whole Angle-WWE angle from a few weeks back before the Jarrett-Angle match, where although Angle made a series of comments about the WWE they had a Kayfabe interview with him shown on the iMPACT show.
As for the Christian rumour, I had a look around a large amount of Wrestling sites this morning, quite alot of them very popular wrestling rumour sites, and none of them had any big news story from Mr Metzler about Christian. I couldn't even find anything about the rumour on Metzler's own site. So I'd be interested to see the article if you could provide a link for me.
As for the Christian rumour, I had a look around a large amount of Wrestling sites this morning, quite alot of them very popular wrestling rumour sites, and none of them had any big news story from Mr Metzler about Christian. I couldn't even find anything about the rumour on Metzler's own site. So I'd be interested to see the article if you could provide a link for me.
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You would have to subscribe to Mr Meltzer's newsletter for that!
Yes, I do know what Kayfabe is, thank you very much. The angle is perceived to write Christian off from TNA in case he does sign with WWE, and if he doesn't it leaves it open for him to make a big return.
Yes, I do know what Kayfabe is, thank you very much. The angle is perceived to write Christian off from TNA in case he does sign with WWE, and if he doesn't it leaves it open for him to make a big return.
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http://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2008/117/christian_cage_364394.shtml
As reported on numerous Wrestling Rumour sites. I'll believe Metzler when I see Christian arrive on WWE. As I said before though, being a TNA fanboy, it wouldn't be a huge loss. There are far more important guys on the roster. I'd be far more worried if we lost someone like Angle, Lethal, Joe or AJ.
As reported on numerous Wrestling Rumour sites. I'll believe Metzler when I see Christian arrive on WWE. As I said before though, being a TNA fanboy, it wouldn't be a huge loss. There are far more important guys on the roster. I'd be far more worried if we lost someone like Angle, Lethal, Joe or AJ.
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The difference being that Christian can actually wrestle. The top dogs in WWE consist of HHH, Taker, Jeff Hardy HBK, Edge, Khali, Batista, Cena, Orton, and now Kozlov. Only the first 5 can actually wrestle. How Batista and Cena get Main Event gigs is beyond me, further proof that the WWE cares more about muscles than wrestling talent. There's no way that Batista is good enough to be a main eventer, he's gash, same can be said for Cena.
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The reason Cena and Batista are main event is because they're so committed, work doubly as hard on promoting etc than other superstars and sell far more merchandise. They're big draws.
Christian would, IMO, be a big draw in WWE because they're now concentrating on the smaller guy such as Edge, Jeff, Matt etc because of the Wellness scandal and giving them more of a chance. Christian and Edge back together would be something very, very special.
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I'll also believe Mr Meltzer when I see it. But, his track record is pretty solid, and he's been right on so many occasions.
Talking of other losses for TNA, Spring 2009 is crunch time for them when lots of big contracts go up for renewal. Angle's is up for renewal, and although he is completely committed to TNA, and very much against WWE, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him leave TNA for a bash at MMA before he retires. Everyone, after all, knows that it's his intention someday to have a go at MMA.
Christian would, IMO, be a big draw in WWE because they're now concentrating on the smaller guy such as Edge, Jeff, Matt etc because of the Wellness scandal and giving them more of a chance. Christian and Edge back together would be something very, very special.
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I'll also believe Mr Meltzer when I see it. But, his track record is pretty solid, and he's been right on so many occasions.
Talking of other losses for TNA, Spring 2009 is crunch time for them when lots of big contracts go up for renewal. Angle's is up for renewal, and although he is completely committed to TNA, and very much against WWE, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him leave TNA for a bash at MMA before he retires. Everyone, after all, knows that it's his intention someday to have a go at MMA.
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Yeh, I imagine Angle will have a go at MMA at some stage. I'm not sure it would have to be at the expense of his TNA contract though, considering TNA already have ties with MMA fighter Frank Trigg, who had a match with AJ at a PPV a few months back.
I also read about those TNA spring contract's expiring. I'm not entirely sure who's on the list, but I know for a fact that guys like AJ Styles, Jay Lethal, Consequences Creed, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, Eric Young, James Storm, Bobby Roode, are commited to TNA. Most of them have been there from the start, and also still have the odd match for various Indie shows, most notably ROH, something which they wouldn't be able to commit to if they joined WWE.
I think if TNA can keep the basis of the roster in tact and keep most of the older guys that are currently working within the Main Event Mafia (a gimmick I am currently really enjoying) then TNA will be all good. Sting can afford to be shown the door, he's on a ridiculously high contract, doesn't do house shows, nor does Nash, so the MEM gimmick just isn't really workable at House Shows, which could be a problem. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the roster will stay, apart from possibly Rhyno, who's been majorly under-used in TNA as of late. He wouldn't be a huge loss though to be fair, he's not looking as sharp as he used to.
I still believe that TNA has a massive advantage over WWE when it comes to talent. WWE's seen some improvement of late, getting Jericho back, giving Jeff Hardy a push, John Morrisson's good, Evan Bourne's good, but they've still got far too much mediocrity and crap. Guys like Khali, Batista, Cena, Regal, Duggan, MVP, Fu Naki, Mark Henry, Marella, D-Lo, Haas, Venis, etc etc etc are not good enough to be working at the best company in the US.
If WWE could dump the crap, and get the roster back to the old days of just 1 roster but keep the various shows then it could be really good again, but McMahon seems intent on making as much moolah as possible by running 3 different brands including the shockingly awful ECW, which is kept afloat by Hardy and Bourne. WWE has a shocking Tag division, they've got nothing on any of the TNA tag teams, and the Women's division consists of a series of gimmick matches. TNA has proven that there is still a place for proper women's wrestling, and girls like Taylor Wilde, Roxxi, Awesome Kong, Raisha Saeed, Rhaka Khan etc are all very talented.
TNA's got the upper hand for me atm, but WWE could be so much better if they realised where they're going wrong, and decided to focus on quality of wrestling as opposed to purely making money. AJ Styles and Kurt Angle are also the 2 best Wrestlers currently operating in the world, so TNA has that advantage as well.
I also read about those TNA spring contract's expiring. I'm not entirely sure who's on the list, but I know for a fact that guys like AJ Styles, Jay Lethal, Consequences Creed, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, Eric Young, James Storm, Bobby Roode, are commited to TNA. Most of them have been there from the start, and also still have the odd match for various Indie shows, most notably ROH, something which they wouldn't be able to commit to if they joined WWE.
I think if TNA can keep the basis of the roster in tact and keep most of the older guys that are currently working within the Main Event Mafia (a gimmick I am currently really enjoying) then TNA will be all good. Sting can afford to be shown the door, he's on a ridiculously high contract, doesn't do house shows, nor does Nash, so the MEM gimmick just isn't really workable at House Shows, which could be a problem. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the roster will stay, apart from possibly Rhyno, who's been majorly under-used in TNA as of late. He wouldn't be a huge loss though to be fair, he's not looking as sharp as he used to.
I still believe that TNA has a massive advantage over WWE when it comes to talent. WWE's seen some improvement of late, getting Jericho back, giving Jeff Hardy a push, John Morrisson's good, Evan Bourne's good, but they've still got far too much mediocrity and crap. Guys like Khali, Batista, Cena, Regal, Duggan, MVP, Fu Naki, Mark Henry, Marella, D-Lo, Haas, Venis, etc etc etc are not good enough to be working at the best company in the US.
If WWE could dump the crap, and get the roster back to the old days of just 1 roster but keep the various shows then it could be really good again, but McMahon seems intent on making as much moolah as possible by running 3 different brands including the shockingly awful ECW, which is kept afloat by Hardy and Bourne. WWE has a shocking Tag division, they've got nothing on any of the TNA tag teams, and the Women's division consists of a series of gimmick matches. TNA has proven that there is still a place for proper women's wrestling, and girls like Taylor Wilde, Roxxi, Awesome Kong, Raisha Saeed, Rhaka Khan etc are all very talented.
TNA's got the upper hand for me atm, but WWE could be so much better if they realised where they're going wrong, and decided to focus on quality of wrestling as opposed to purely making money. AJ Styles and Kurt Angle are also the 2 best Wrestlers currently operating in the world, so TNA has that advantage as well.
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Kurt Angle, Rhino, Robert Roode, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, Sonjay Dutt, Petty Williams, AJ Styles, Lance Rock, Hernandez and Homicide are all, apparently, up for renewal early next year.
An interested point, but it probably means nothing, is that Kurt Angle has been more complimentary towards Vince, WWE etc. over recent months. As I said, probably means nothing.
Apparently, WWE officials thinks that Robert Roode is the complete package, so I could see them throwing some big money his way. Same with Hernandez. A huge athletic guy, he could be what WWE are after.
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On the subject of WWE having loads of crap, I've probably said this 1 millions times before, but if I was Vince, here's what I'd do. I'd release...
D-Lo Brown
Paul Burchill
Deuce
Charlie Haas
Hardcore Holly
Mike Knox
William Regal
Snitsky
Val Venis (or keep as a trainer)
Jillian
Layla
Khali
Kung Fu Naki
Jimmy Wang Yang
The Boogeyman (or change his gimmick)
Armando Estrada
That would save them some serious money, and would allow some younger talent to come through. The current young talent they've got is great, I think. I love Jake Swagger. It would also give them plenty of dosh in which is sign some decent guys from other promotions.
An interested point, but it probably means nothing, is that Kurt Angle has been more complimentary towards Vince, WWE etc. over recent months. As I said, probably means nothing.
Apparently, WWE officials thinks that Robert Roode is the complete package, so I could see them throwing some big money his way. Same with Hernandez. A huge athletic guy, he could be what WWE are after.
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On the subject of WWE having loads of crap, I've probably said this 1 millions times before, but if I was Vince, here's what I'd do. I'd release...
D-Lo Brown
Paul Burchill
Deuce
Charlie Haas
Hardcore Holly
Mike Knox
William Regal
Snitsky
Val Venis (or keep as a trainer)
Jillian
Layla
Khali
Kung Fu Naki
Jimmy Wang Yang
The Boogeyman (or change his gimmick)
Armando Estrada
That would save them some serious money, and would allow some younger talent to come through. The current young talent they've got is great, I think. I love Jake Swagger. It would also give them plenty of dosh in which is sign some decent guys from other promotions.
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I reckon out of them names, only Rhino will leave, possibly Lance Rock. Kurt Angle could possibly leave, and it'd be a huge loss. Angle proved he's still got it at Turning Point, his match against Abyss was nothing short of superb.
I can see why, Roode's fantastic. He's clearly rated quite highly by TNA officials also. He's part of the best Tag Team in the world for my money. James Storm and Robert Roode as Beer Money Inc is just brilliant, they work so well together and are just a brilliant team. Roode's got a heck of alot of talent, can see him being a big singles competitor in the next 2 years.
As for SuperMex. He's quality. He's not only big and strong, but he can fly as well. He's got a heck of a lot of talent, he'd be good in WWE, I'm sure TNA will want to keep him though.
I still think that WWE could afford to ditch ECW, then form a merger of the rosters, putting everyone into 1, like the old days. Would be superb to see everyone from HHH, to Jeff Hardy, to Evan Bourne, to John Morrisson all on 1 Roster. They would still do Raw and Smackdown shows, like the old days, but it's just 1 big roster. You could also bring back the Undisputed title, allowing WWE to ditch that ridiculous joke of a Bling belt that HHH insists on still carrying around, it's actually disrespectful to the history of the belt having it look like that.
WWE has so much potential, but they just keep fannying around, focusing purely on the money as opposed to the good of the fans and the quality of the entertainment. WWE's turned into a freak show, anyone who's 7ft tall can get a mega contract and a WWE Title match, it's ridiculous. If they're going to match TNA then they need to do something special, and quickly.
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Never going to happen though. Be Vince for one second..."shall I drop 2 shows and lose millions of pounds in profits for my shareholders and millions in revenues".
It's never going to happen. Afterall, remember WWE are a public trading company and everything they do is for the good of the shareholders, whereas TNA can afford to take risks as it's only the Carter Family who will lose out if something goes pear shaped.
It's never going to happen. Afterall, remember WWE are a public trading company and everything they do is for the good of the shareholders, whereas TNA can afford to take risks as it's only the Carter Family who will lose out if something goes pear shaped.
