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[79cricket]

How much should they get payed Biggs and please don't say cake.

 

[Snowy]

There's an easy solution to this whole "credit" thing. Just stick Snowy Issy and a couple of other guys doing these amazing players on the BigAnt payroll to do the rest of the teams...

Anything could happen Biggs....anything could happen

Solid pun

 

[kasabian21]

My players will only list players you have edited/created Before linking. Rest will go to other players. Also it will list players you have edited AFTER linking. Its a bit weird.

No there is no easy way to start over. Best thing would be for you to unlink all your players and upload all your created players online. Then delete the current profil/saved files in documents and then start CA again. Download all your players back and start the linking process again.

Thanks! Figured it out in the end and have finally been able to link and upload properly.

 

[Snowy]

So I think it comes down to a combination of what you link, and when you link (when it comes to combining creations)

I tested it with your Cook a couple of times, sometimes it came up with original creator as Kasabian21, other times it came up with the other original creator (name escapes me).

 

[kasabian21]

So I think it comes down to a combination of what you link, and when you link (when it comes to combining creations)

I tested it with your Cook a couple of times, sometimes it came up with original creator as Kasabian21, other times it came up with the other original creator (name escapes me).

OTHER ORIGINAL CREATOR!?!?!! WHAAAATTTT!!?!?! lol. I think someone made a few adjustments to my Cook and uploaded it a while back? Had '33' in the username I think?

In my opinion original creator should always be the person who created it/uploaded it first, regardless of what changes others have made to it.

Edit: what happens if you change and upload an already changed and uploaded player? i.e I upload, someone changes it, re-uploads, then someone download that upload, changes it and re-uploads?

 

[blockerdave]

OTHER ORIGINAL CREATOR!?!?!! WHAAAATTTT!!?!?! lol. I think someone made a few adjustments to my Cook and uploaded it a while back? Had '33' in the username I think?

In my opinion original creator should always be the person who created it/uploaded it first, regardless of what changes others have made to it.

Edit: what happens if you change and upload an already changed and uploaded player? i.e I upload, someone changes it, re-uploads, then someone download that upload, changes it and re-uploads?

What happens is hopefully the community has a better player and we all move on.

 

[Biggs]

In my opinion original creator should always be the person who created it/uploaded it first, regardless of what changes others have made to it.

Well, the flaw in that mindset is that you're going to have people uploading crappy looking players just get "first credit" and then everyone else who makes the players actually look like who they're supposed to aren't going to get the credit for their work.

I think in a public-shared creation system like this one, it's going to be very hard to please all sides, to be honest. It's not like it's moderated like the patches forums are right here... on PlanetCricket... [crowd cheers]

...so I think the notion of "fair credit" is going to be difficult once the game goes public because you're going to have thousands (if not millions, lets say millions, that means Ross' will be happy) okay, millions of people editing, creating, copying and so on and they're not all going to be members here.

 

[kasabian21]

Well, the flaw in that mindset is that you're going to have people uploading crappy looking players just get "first credit" and then everyone else who makes the players actually look like who they're supposed to aren't going to get the credit for their work.

I think in a public-shared creation system like this one, it's going to be very hard to please all sides, to be honest. It's not like it's moderated like the patches forums are right here... on PlanetCricket... [crowd cheers]

...so I think the notion of "fair credit" is going to be difficult once the game goes public because you're going to have thousands (if not millions, lets say millions, that means Ross' will be happy) okay, millions of people editing, creating, copying and so on and they're not all going to be members here.

But wouldn't those people just start from scratch and create their own rather than use a crappy template? Obviously you can't answer that as you don't speak for everyone, but you see my point.

I agree that it is very hard to please everyone and there is going to be need to be compromises, but I personally would be annoyed (as this thread has shown) if I'd spent an hour+ creating someone, for some to download, adjust the outer eye width by one bar, re-upload then get the credit if someone was to download their upload and change it in the slightest of ways also.

I'm totally for changes for the better so we all have better likenesses of players, but if someone has put in a lot of time creating something, but someone gets the 'credit' for making a few slight adjustments then it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Well, my mouth anyway. If someone was going to do a complete overhaul they may as well start from scratch.

As much keyboard warrior grief as I'll cop for saying this, I actually think a better system would one where you can download other people's creations, but not be able to edit them physically, just stats wise.

 

[BigAntStudios]

The only solution that I can think of, the best of a bad bunch alluded too previously, is that we always consider the creator of the likeness as the original creator regardless of non-graphical updates/linking that subsequently takes place.

Even if we were to store a complete list of contributors there would be no good way to automatically rank their input.

I have been asked to allow a locking system where someone can lock their creation from edits - I am considering it but it doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Snowy]

So if someone improves one of your creations, used the 'glitched' (using this term loosely) way of linking multiple creations to one player, and uploaded it with zero credit to you, you'd be more concerned about the credit rather than the fact you have a better likeness to use? About 5 people will ever know and maybe care about who made certain likenesses. Getting the best likeness is what matters to most of us.

And if you remove the edit ability, then you lose out on more than you realise. Do you want a situation where everyone has to create their own player if someone uploads a player with the wrong colour hair?

 

[blockerdave]

So if someone improves one of your creations, used the 'glitched' (using this term loosely) way of linking multiple creations to one player, and uploaded it with zero credit to you, you'd be more concerned about the credit rather than the fact you have a better likeness to use? About 5 people will ever know and maybe care about who made certain likenesses. Getting the best likeness is what matters to most of us.

very much this.

and really not to be too much of a douche about this, but the concept of copying the image of a public figure, then complaining about someone else taking credit for it baffles me. it's akin to me complaining about you getting credit for the copy of natural born killers I pirated.

 

[kasabian21]

So if someone improves one of your creations, used the 'glitched' (using this term loosely) way of linking multiple creations to one player, and uploaded it with zero credit to you, you'd be more concerned about the credit rather than the fact you have a better likeness to use? About 5 people will ever know and maybe care about who made certain likenesses.

And if you remove the edit ability, then you lose out on more than you realise. Do you want a situation where everyone has to create their own player if someone uploads a player with the wrong colour hair?

It's not about it being better or worse. Someone changing it doesn't automatically mean it's going to be better. I have no issue with someone changing mine for the better if I get the credit for being the original creator - what I do have an issue with is other people taking the credit.

Your last point isn't valid, in my opinion. Firstly, there are going to be numerous of creations of every player or at least the lion's share of them (just look at the server now), so there would be plenty to choose from and people really aren't that stupid that they'd get a hair colour completely wrong. No-one is going to make a ginger KP and if they did then their creation skills would be awful anyway!

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very much this.

and really not to be too much of a douche about this, but the concept of copying the image of a public figure, then complaining about someone else taking credit for it baffles me. it's akin to me complaining about you getting credit for the copy of natural born killers I pirated.

I see where you're coming from, but it doesn't matter who or what is being created, it's simply the time and effort put in to doing so and them being passed off as being the work of someone else. I personally wouldn't download and change anyone's creations, I'd download them as they are or create my own, hence why I started creating players on CA.

Comparing a film to this isn't a good comparison.

 

[ChinamanSpin]

Your last point isn't valid, in my opinion. Firstly, there are going to be numerous of creations of every player or at least the lion's share of them (just look at the server now), so there would be plenty to choose from and people really aren't that stupid that they'd get a hair colour completely wrong. No-one is going to make a ginger KP and if they did then their creation skills would be awful anyway!

What if they give him 2005 longer hair or 2008 very short hair rather than the hair he has had for the last couple of years? Or if the ears are sticking out slightly more than what you would like? In my opinion fine-tuning something and then uploading it is fine, even if they only changed or two elements of them, like with your Steyn. I think you are trying to make this a much bigger issue than it actually is.

 

[blockerdave]

Comparing a film to this isn't a good comparison.

the comparison was to the act of infringing IP.

you don't have the right to make the image of e.g. Alastair Cook, just as I don't have the right to bootleg Robocop.

honestly, I am pretty sure you shouldn't share your creations, because you don't buy in to the community aspect. CA isn't an art gallery, it's a community editor.

if you make e.g. Alan Border and it's very close but I reckon the nose could be better, it would be ridiculous for me to make him from scratch, rather than download yours and edit it.

ultimately, most people who buy the game and use CA will not know Kasabian21 from thankslut26, so literally, who cares? The PC members that view and contribute to this thread will know you're a good creator, but there are plenty of others too.

 

[Snowy]

And Kasabian, no one was 'taking' credit for your Steyn. It's a quirk in the system that I can duplicate without fail.