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Broke my rule of not talking about hypothetical tournament structures after waking up at 5am and posting on reddit.

So, here it is. I can bookmark this so I don't have to ever post it again. In response to a post about promotion and relegation for the WTC.

One way to implement two divisions would be having a preliminary round at the start of each cycle with teams qualifying for divisions like the Super 6 in World Cups. This would mean the division you are in is only for the cycle and not pemanent or subject to promotion/relegation.

The other way would be just having two groups for 5/6/7 that are shuffled each cycle based on rankings or position in the last tournament.

The only other option, for me, would be replacing the WTC and having a multi-format World Championship that uses a points system for each series like the Women's Ashes. This would make almost all bilateral cricket matter. Series could have a minimum number of tests and wouldn't need to be even with the number of series wins ranking teams.
However, I just can't see teams risking losing their cash cow series and/or losing/sharing the income from them. What we have now is far from perfect (I'd rather England won the Ashes than the WTC) but the WTC is probably the best we can hope for given all the conflicting interests of individual boards.

I'm in favour of a shared income model, but, unless more money is found, the richer boards would lose out. How would they try and make up for that loss? More meaningless T20 bilateral series. I would like to see more done to support boards that are struggling, what England are doing with Zimbabwe might be a way forward, essentially giving them more money towards the tour.
 
This would normally be going straight to @Aislabie's Discord DMs, but this is so incredible I feel like I've got to share it here.

Tonight's BBL game was staffed by the following match officials:
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So, the standing officials aren't of any note - you have Andrew Crozier, who knows what a wide is; Eloise Sheridan, who apparently doesn't; and Donovan Koch, whose first international game ended in a super over.

But the fourth umpire was former Sixers opener Riki Wessels, in his first involvement in a men's first-class-level match. And the match referee... was his dad, Kepler. I genuinely do not think that has ever happened before in a high-level game of cricket.

(Speaking of which, if Riki ever got his England cap, they'd have been the first family to represent three different nations also, I think)
 
ddrap14 said:
This would normally be going straight to @Aislabie's Discord DMs, but this is so incredible I feel like I've got to share it here.

Tonight's BBL game was staffed by the following match officials:
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So, the standing officials aren't of any note - you have Andrew Crozier, who knows what a wide is; Eloise Sheridan, who apparently doesn't; and Donovan Koch, whose first international game ended in a super over.

But the fourth umpire was former Sixers opener Riki Wessels, in his first involvement in a men's first-class-level match. And the match referee... was his dad, Kepler. I genuinely do not think that has ever happened before in a high-level game of cricket.

(Speaking of which, if Riki ever got his England cap, they'd have been the first family to represent three different nations also, I think)
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Off the top of my head. Sammy Guillen played for New Zealand and the West Indies and his grandson (Logan van Beek) has represented Netherlands. Sammy also played for Trinidad & Tobago, which is it's own country, rather than the conglomerate of nations like the Windies. So, from a certain point of view, you could call that four.
 
wasteyouryouth said:
It more than ever makes me want to see one of them relegated. Although I'm sure they'd find a way to make that so it couldn't happen and if it did they'd scrap it. What's the point of having an exclusive club if one of the members can't be in it.
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This was the best I could come up with for a structure where the Big Three TM would still get to absolutely dominate the Test calendar, but where there would still be room for every Test nation to thrive and get time in the spotlight. I borrowed the idea of a tournament-based calendar from Rugby Union.

I've not bothered to put in the various minor trophies, because I can't quite be bothered figuring out which teams would fit where at which time.
 
Tier system is good once it is structured well.

Obviously this will benefit the Indian team the most.

I’m really sad and gutted that I was correct about India’s interests in the game over the years.

Forget teams in the top Tier! Only the Big 3 stands to benefit from a financial point.
 
The Tier system is good, My only worry being that is is coming 15 years too late. Despite India's home whitewash and BGT loss, they still are a better team than the rest. Collectively, India, England and Australia have a far better infra and talent pool which can help them in 80-90% of the cases.

15 years ago, probably around 2007-ish, we had Australia as the strongest test team, followed by South Africa. The rest made up a pretty strong midfield from positions 3-9. Barring Bangladesh, the rest of the the teams were more or less equally balanced.

Introducing a tiered system is a good idea, however, the gulf has widened to a large extent and this may not help the other nations. Considering how the game has grown- especially in the shorter formats, many nations/boards are seemingly veering away from the longest format of the game. Take the example of WI /Ban. In all honesty, these teams may not win the WTC for years to come. Them climbing up the ladder too, is a far fetched reality. For them to focus on ODI/ T20 makes more sense. Already, some boards are having difficulties in selling rights for home test matches. Hosting the test, giving adequate importance to the game with dwindling crowds, is a major challenge for the Tier 2 nations.

I fear the end of Test cricket is near. Even though they are revamping the system, I foresee only India, England and Australia playing the longest format after 10 years.Sad reality, but this is what will become of the game in the not so distant future.

wasteyouryouth said:
I can think of better things I'd do if I was than go back to Sri Lanka v Afghanistan in the World Cup.
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Lots of better things to do for Afghanistan if they ever got a chance to redo the game vs Australia in CWC 2023.
 
ddrap14 said:
is this india in the room with us right now
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Ha ha! What I meant to say was the talent pool in the country is bigger and is stronger than the rest. The results might not have gone their way recently, on account of selection blunders,etc, but that doesnt mean they are poor. Still a force to reckon with- sharpen a few edges, drop the non-performers and you will be back to your winning ways again.
 
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