2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup - India (UAE/Oman)

[wasteyouryouth]

Morgs need to give it some welly or go back to the shed. Get Mo and Livingstone in.

 

[Rehan_24]

Hey guys, what do you think can Afghanistan beat India and do an upset? I would say its 50-50 considering Indian team body language, however India is favorite for sure to win that game because a big team can bounce back anytime. Would be interesting to see a contest between Rashid Khan vs VK and Mujeeb vs VK and Sharma

 

[SaiSrini]

Shaheen's bowling didn’t have much to do with the conditions.

Imagine if Shaheen had bowled to India in the 2nd innings after Pakistan batted first. He wouldn't likely have caused the same kind of damage. Dew changes everything, including the traction of swing. Maybe he could still have picked up the same no of wickets that he did, but India would've still won the game as they would've restricted Pakistan to a chaseable score and the dew gives them confidence to play their shots freely. We're seeing teams make a score and the chasing team wins it with many many overs to spare.

Hey guys, what do you think can Afghanistan beat India and do an upset? I would say its 50-50 considering Indian team body language, however India is favorite for sure to win that game because a big team can bounce back anytime. Would be interesting to see a contest between Rashid Khan vs VK and Mujeeb vs VK and Sharma

If Afghanistan win the toss and bowl first definitely an upset on the cards. Its imperative they dont choose to bat first (like what Nabi did against Pakistan and paid the price). They could've beaten Pakistan had they bowled first. The only time the "bat first" works is when you're playing a team like Scotland or Namibia.

 

[Ed Smith]

Morgs need to give it some welly or go back to the shed. Get Mo and Livingstone in.

Seems to be going the route of the former

 

[CerealKiller]

That was pathetic captaincy by Shanaka to give Karunaratne an over after Theekshana had finished his spell. Why the hell would you hold back your best bowler, Hasaranga, right when England are under extreme pressure, and he could strike the final blow? That over allowed Buttler to turn around his innings.

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And now bowling himself ahead of Hasaranga

 

[CerealKiller]

That was pathetic captaincy by Shanaka to give Karunaratne an over after Theekshana had finished his spell. Why the hell would you hold back your best bowler, Hasaranga, right when England are under extreme pressure, and he could strike the final blow? That over allowed Buttler to turn around his innings.

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And now bowling himself ahead of Hasaranga

And now Chameera

 

[Rehan_24]

Hey guys, what do you think can Afghanistan beat India and do an upset? I would say its 50-50 considering Indian team body language, however India is favorite for sure to win that game. Would be interesting to see a contest between Rashid Khan vs VK and Mujeeb vs VK and Sharma

Imagine if Shaheen had bowled to India in the 2nd innings after Pakistan batted first. He wouldn't likely have caused the same kind of damage. Dew changes everything, including the traction of swing. Maybe he could still have picked up the same no of wickets that he did, but India would've still won the game as they would've restricted Pakistan to a chaseable score and the dew gives them confidence to play their shots freely. We're seeing teams make a score and the chasing team wins it with many many overs to spare.



If Afghanistan win the toss and bowl first definitely an upset on the cards. Its imperative they dont choose to bat first (like what Nabi did against Pakistan and paid the price). They could've beaten Pakistan had they bowled first. The only time the "bat first" works is when you're playing a team like Scotland or Namibia.

Pakistan was out from the competition in that game, Asif heroics saved it anyway. 4 sixes in an over

Regarding had Pakistan batted first against India. I would bet Pakistan still would have won the game. Pakistan was so charged up that night and played with a lot of passion. A lose was on the cards with India that night anyway either bat first or bowl first. But yeah, we are talking about assumptions based on observations.

 

[CerealKiller]

If SL lose this it’ll be fully deserved because of this captaincy.

 

[Ed Smith]

SL are dropping the ball here. Were all over us 5 overs ago

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Morgan has done well, and I think they've played it well after the power play, but he's so out of form he can't even get out.

 

[CerealKiller]

That was pathetic captaincy by Shanaka to give Karunaratne an over after Theekshana had finished his spell. Why the hell would you hold back your best bowler, Hasaranga, right when England are under extreme pressure, and he could strike the final blow? That over allowed Buttler to turn around his innings.

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And now bowling himself ahead of Hasaranga

He’s doing it on purpose to trigger me, it seems now

 

[Ed Smith]

India would've still won the game as they would've restricted Pakistan to a chaseable score and the dew gives them confidence to play their shots freely.

This is almost India would have won if they hadn't lost

 

[Velocity]

Shaheen's bowling didn’t have much to do with the conditions.

Yet he was getting some swing and movement off the pitch early on, which the Indian bowlers didn't get either in the second innings. He bowled two excellent balls to get the openers yes, but I kind of see Sai's point. Even in the NZ game yesterday, it looked like NZ were batting on a different pitch altogether and it does look like dew has its impact. And even in the game today, England's batting lineup struggled big time batting in the first ten overs which only that first and second innings difference more evident. Although they've been helped out now by Kumara's freebies and poor captaincy by Shanaka to be set for 160+ now.

 

[prasoonvidhu]

Yet he was getting some swing and movement off the pitch early on, which the Indian bowlers didn't get either in the second innings. He bowled two excellent balls to get the openers yes, but I kind of see Sai's point. Even in the NZ game yesterday, it looked like NZ were batting on a different pitch altogether and it does look like dew has its impact. And even in the game today, England's batting lineup struggled big time batting in the first ten overs which only that first and second innings difference more evident. Although they've been helped out now by Kumara's freebies and poor captaincy by Shanaka to be set for 160+ now.

Bumrah reiterated this point of dew yesterday. Definitely winning the toss is a huge huge advantage. India is unlucky to lose the toss twice in such conditions

 

[CerealKiller]

Yet he was getting some swing and movement off the pitch early on, which the Indian bowlers didn't get either in the second innings. He bowled two excellent balls to get the openers yes, but I kind of see Sai's point. Even in the NZ game yesterday, it looked like NZ were batting on a different pitch altogether and it does look like dew has its impact. And even in the game today, England's batting lineup struggled big time batting in the first ten overs which only that first and second innings difference more evident. Although they've been helped out now by Kumara's freebies and poor captaincy by Shanaka to be set for 160+.

This argument leads nowhere.
Pakistanis could say that God was with us and made us win the toss. Indians could say that Kohli has extremely bad luck, that’s why we lost. Toss is crucial, yes, but you can’t say that any wins were undeserved or lucky, simply because of the toss. It took extreme skill to restrict India to 151 and chase it down without losing any wicket.