5th Test: England v Australia at The Oval Aug 21-25, 2013
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That's why I put him at number 7.
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Cook has had a press conference and has said they will pick the strongest team to win the Test. So expect Anderson to play.
He can bat and bowl, something England seem to think adds up to an all-rounder which is why they picked Woakes - and Shight, Yardy and a plethora of others who can bat a bit, bowl a bit, but add up to the square root of a polishedt urd.
I just worry England are picking him because of batting and not bowling, not that I considering his tats "outstanding" as you do, good certainly but not that excited. It says he is averaging 21.50 in 1st Class cricket so not sure where you got those figures from.
What happened to Rankin? I tend not to worry too much about county averages, that he has not really done much for England in ODIs carries more weight for me.
I'd hope we'd consider the reverse series, can't see us getting away with five bowlers down under. I would have hoped Root might bowl a bit more, see what he can do.
used2bcool
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So Australia have decided to bring in Faulkner and Starc for Khawaja and Bird, which is perplexing to me because you're replacing a top-order batsman with a bowling allrounder. If the problem was batting, how is the introduction of a bowling allrounder supposed to fix it?
The batting lineup is apparently:
1 Warner 2 Rogers 3 Watson 4 Clarke 5 Smith 6 Haddin 7 Faulkner 8 Starc 9 Siddle 10 Harris 11 Lyon
It looks more like a one-day team to be honest - a bunch of bit-part players in the middle, and only numbers 1, 2, and 4 are pure batters. It really feels as though the selectors have solved a problem that did not need solving at all. The bowling has been stellar all series.
Why they want to risk Ryan Harris in a lost cause is beyond me. With Faulkner guaranteed to debut, Australia will have used 17 of their 18-man squad in the Tests in this series. The only one not to get a chance is Mathew Wade.
I don't get it.
The batting lineup is apparently:
1 Warner 2 Rogers 3 Watson 4 Clarke 5 Smith 6 Haddin 7 Faulkner 8 Starc 9 Siddle 10 Harris 11 Lyon
It looks more like a one-day team to be honest - a bunch of bit-part players in the middle, and only numbers 1, 2, and 4 are pure batters. It really feels as though the selectors have solved a problem that did not need solving at all. The bowling has been stellar all series.
Why they want to risk Ryan Harris in a lost cause is beyond me. With Faulkner guaranteed to debut, Australia will have used 17 of their 18-man squad in the Tests in this series. The only one not to get a chance is Mathew Wade.
I don't get it.
Aislabie
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Having seen the side the Aussies have put together, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Northants would beat them at the mo.
And 2 to 1 on for Harris to get injured.
midgetwars
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Australia's selectors are bone dead stupid.
NO BIRD?! Stupid decision not to give him at least another chance.
TWO ALLROUNDERS?! What the hell's the point.
So we dumped, Khawaja for Faulkner so this suggests he's playing the batting role, but he was playing the main bowler in the tour match?!
NO BIRD?! Stupid decision not to give him at least another chance.
TWO ALLROUNDERS?! What the hell's the point.
So we dumped, Khawaja for Faulkner so this suggests he's playing the batting role, but he was playing the main bowler in the tour match?!
Aislabie
Test Cricket is Best Cricket
Right then, let's all pick our best Australian XIs:
Mine is Rogers, Warner, Cowan, Clarke, Hughes, Smith, Paine, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Bird, although I'd really like to recall Katich, and maybe try to get Robson in.
Not that I care. Poms ftw.
Mine is Rogers, Warner, Cowan, Clarke, Hughes, Smith, Paine, Siddle, Harris, Lyon, Bird, although I'd really like to recall Katich, and maybe try to get Robson in.
Not that I care. Poms ftw.
Umair7
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Australia's changes in personnel and position this series:
Before the first Test, and from their previous Test side in India Warner dropped for disciplinary reasons, Lyon dropped, Rogers brought in, Wade dropped, Haddin brought in, Maxwell dropped, Johnson dropped, Starc brought in, Clarke back in from injury.
2nd Test Cowan dropped, Khawaja brought in, Hughes moved from 6 to 4, Clarke down to 5, Smith down to 6,Agar up to 8, Siddle down to 9, Starc dropped, Harris brought in
3rd Test Clarke back up to 4, Smith up to 5, Hughes dropped, Warner brought in, Agar dropped, Siddle up to 8, Pattinson out (injured), Starc brought back, Harris up to 10, Lyon brought in
4th Test Warner moved up to open, Watson down to 6, Starc dropped (again), Harris up to 9, Lyon up to 10, Bird brought in
5th Test (so far known) Khawaja dropped, Watson up to 3, Bird dropped, Starc in (again!), Faulkner in, Haddin moved to 6?..
Utter carnage.
Before the first Test, and from their previous Test side in India Warner dropped for disciplinary reasons, Lyon dropped, Rogers brought in, Wade dropped, Haddin brought in, Maxwell dropped, Johnson dropped, Starc brought in, Clarke back in from injury.
2nd Test Cowan dropped, Khawaja brought in, Hughes moved from 6 to 4, Clarke down to 5, Smith down to 6,Agar up to 8, Siddle down to 9, Starc dropped, Harris brought in
3rd Test Clarke back up to 4, Smith up to 5, Hughes dropped, Warner brought in, Agar dropped, Siddle up to 8, Pattinson out (injured), Starc brought back, Harris up to 10, Lyon brought in
4th Test Warner moved up to open, Watson down to 6, Starc dropped (again), Harris up to 9, Lyon up to 10, Bird brought in
5th Test (so far known) Khawaja dropped, Watson up to 3, Bird dropped, Starc in (again!), Faulkner in, Haddin moved to 6?..
Utter carnage.
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This all reminds me of how England used to do things......how things have changed.
You're right. Prior deserves a promotion based on his form this series.
How many bowlers have Aus actually used (will have used) in the 5 tests? Good strength in depth for the future.
used2bcool
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Siddle, Pattinson, Harris, Starc, Bird, Faulkner, and Watson are the pacers. They're missing Pat Cummins (who is out with an injury), Mitchell Johnson (who is Mitchell Johnson), and Mitchell Marsh (who I know nothing about). So that's a ton of depth.
The spin department doesn't look so good - Lyon, Agar, and Smith this series. They also used Maxwell in India. Lyon's pretty good, the others look like part-timers. There's Doherty, but he's more of a limited-overs specialist, and I keep hearing about this guy O'Keefe but know nothing about him.
Yes because he was extremely bad.
Yep....They are just throwing darts at this stage and hoping something hits the target.
Exactly! I remember those tours of England where Australia would be going well, England would call up random bums from county cricket and use 20+ players in the series, desperately looking for anything that might work.
Just found a list here...
Records | Test matches | Team records | Most players used by one side in a series | ESPN Cricinfo
In 1989 England used 29 players! 1993 they used 24...makes Inverarity look sane.
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