Academy release 0.0.69 - discussion

[Ajh1977]

Yes differing animations for dodgy fielding as well would be cool.

 

[blackcapsfan]

Will there be different animations for tailenders and lower orders? will be cool to watch if they bat like real taileneders

Yes that would be a great. They can have a limited array of shots compared to proper batsman. Would love to see the Trent Boult Flamingo shot:

 

[The_Pharoah]

I was just thinking...in terms of single player career mode, would it be worth/beneficial if you could get signature animations if you got say x amount of XP? eg.

- Dhoni helicopter shot
- Ricky Ponting almost pirouette hook shot
- Steve Smith french cut to fine leg

obviously its something you have to earn but worth it?

Also, I've been practicing back foot hook shots for 6 and I've hit quite a few to mid on, down the wicket (even over the machine) with one to mid off. I'm trying to figure out exactly how I can do that given the angle of the bat. Even if I hit it early or off the toe of the bat it shouldn't necessarily go to mid off. Anyone else experience this?
Conditions were:
RH Bat
Facing fast-med RH bowler over the wicket bowling short
Shot = LS Down (back foot), RS = left (hook), LT pulled = 6 hit.

one final thing - i've noticed there's a new shot (for me anyway) which is: LS down (backfoot), RS = down (straight down). this produces some sort of wild hook shot. Problem is, I can't seem to hit ANYTHING with it no matter what kind of ball. I usually have all 3 greens. Any tips on what I'm doing wrong? (I've tried early, late, etc)

 

[Alexei.]

Its LIVE guys...

DBC17 Demo - Release 0.0.69 Live Now

NEW CAMERA OPTION
Pro Cam

NEW SHOTS
Helicopter Shot (Unorthodox + Straight Shot)
Lofted sweep (Unorthodox + Back Left Diagonal on Right Stick - Based on Right Handed Batsman)
Reverse sweep (Unorthodox + Back Right Diagonal on Right Stick - Based on Right Handed Batsman)
Pad Away (Leave + Defensive Trigger)
Hook shots - Normal and Aggressive (Back Foot + Down on Right Stick)

SPIN BOWLING
Tuned spin bowling difficulty

ADDITIONS
Added Leave Option to Left Stick Click, Right Stick Click or A button.

Hollow Shapes are there too.

 

[cricket_online]

All Im saying is thats incorrect. It doesn't matter how good the "atmospheric conditions" are for swing bowling, if the pitch is too abrasive, you can't maintain the ball enough for it to utilise the "atmospheric conditions".

The ball will still swing without "atmospheric conditions" on "pitches" conducive of swing, ie; green tops, longer grass coverage, softer type"pitches". Because the ball is maintained a lot longer.

It swings more in nz and eng and the gabba, because the "pitches" have more moisture and are less abrasive.

Any country can doctor a pitch to be more conducive of swing, you don't need "atmospheric conditions"... All you need is a hose and some covers and a good curator.

"Pitches" not "atmospheric conditions" have the most bearing on "how much"or "how long".

Yes "atmospheric conditions" can enhance swing, but not if the pitch isn't right.

It has no bearing on reverse swing whatsoever.

That's a fairly comprehensive description pal, you would only be arguing for the sake of it, if you were too.

I'm glad your actually arguing on something that is beneficial to strategy for DBC though, instead of some "others" that are crapp!ng on about mixed gender cricket that's a complete waste of time and money and all about politically correct bs. Its easy to be diplomatic!!!

That is not correct. I can have a green wkt in say India in summer time and you won't see the ball swing. I can take the same pitch to England or New Zealand and the ball will hoop around. The wall will seam around on a greentop no matter anywhere but it won't cause it to swing. Green pitch will allow the ball to swing for longer compared to other pitches but only if the ball was swinging in the first place.

No you cannot doctor a pitch to make the ball swing. Seam yes, swing no. And no only a groundsman/pitch curator will not determine whether the ball swings or not. What you are saying is if I create an identical green pitch and place it at different locations (subcontinent, England, New Zealand etc.), it will swing the same as per you the swing is determined by the pitch. It won't happen. In some places you will see lots of swing, some places maybe a little swing and some place you may not see any swing at all. But you will see seam movement everywhere.

 

[cricket_online]

There is also no proven scientific connection between overcast conditions and cricket ball swing.

The closest you get is an indirect connection where perhaps clouds are indicative of past rainfall which would have softened the grass keeping the ball newer for longer. And, like above, this wouldn't affect reverse thing.

It's really old cricketing folk law more than anything, clouds = swing...

Nobody can say sure whether the ball will swing or not. Sometime it looks like it's a perfect day for a ball to swing but you don't see swing at all. Or sometime one particular ball swings but another one doesn't. But one thing people generally agree on that the swing is determined by atmospheric conditions, i.e. humidity, temperature (swings more when it's colder instead of it being a hot day) etc. Overcast day is generally a sign the conditions are conducive for swing. I can prepare the greenest pitch ever in a lab and put in a ground in subcontinent when the temps are hitting 40s on a bright hot day and chances are the ball will not swing though it will seam.

 

[SibiNaayagam]

@cricket_online Swing is very dependent on the bowler's skill. The next is the ball. Next comes the pitch, wind and ball maintenance. Finally the atmosphere.

Duke swings most (Used in Eng) and SG (Used in India) swings the least.

If atmosphere was so important then we won't have Praveen Kumar or Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. They wouldn't have been called swing bowlers without taking so many wickets in first class by swinging the ball. So for them the atmosphere doesn't help, the ball doesn't help. What does help is their skill, the pitch, the wind and the maintenance.

 

[BittuGamz]

anyone...how to play advanced ground shots?

 

[BittuGamz]

it took time for me to download new update coz of slow internet...i really liked it...i like the camera movement here...in DBC14 camera tilts up after ball reaching boundary which i didnt like...i also feel the broadcast camera needs to be bit close and there should be a follow through of ball when we play back cuts...the new pull shot is good but there should also be a leg glance for mid and full deliveries...just my views i hope you consider these points...i know many more to come and im very much excited...thank you

 

[SibiNaayagam]

anyone...how to play advanced ground shots?

In the current update, I think it's RS for advance toggle - HOLD RT (Defense Trigger) + L-Analogue Stick + R-Analogue Stick. Point the R-Stick back for Advance Down and defend.

 

[BittuGamz]

Advance defence shot can be played...but how to play advance ground strokes?

 

[Gamer Pradosh]

Same with defense trigger..

 

[cricket_online]

@cricket_online Swing is very dependent on the bowler's skill. The next is the ball. Next comes the pitch, wind and ball maintenance. Finally the atmosphere.

Duke swings most (Used in Eng) and SG (Used in India) swings the least.

If atmosphere was so important then we won't have Praveen Kumar or Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. They wouldn't have been called swing bowlers without taking so many wickets in first class by swinging the ball. So for them the atmosphere doesn't help, the ball doesn't help. What does help is their skill, the pitch, the wind and the maintenance.

That goes without saying. You can give a novice a new ball on an overcast day at Headingly and he/she won't be able to swing the ball. It's a given any discussion about swing assumes that the bowler has the skills & capability to swing the ball else the discussion is moot.

The example you provided proves the point that a green pitch is not the reason the ball swings as I doubt likes of P & B kumar played much on greentops. Thus they had to hone their skill to make as much help given by the conditions & weather as possible. And when you mention factors such as wind or humidity etc. it's part of the weather/atmospheric conditions.

 

[SibiNaayagam]

That goes without saying. You can give a novice a new ball on an overcast day at Headingly and he/she won't be able to swing the ball. It's a given any discussion about swing assumes that the bowler has the skills & capability to swing the ball else the discussion is moot.

The example you provided proves the point that a green pitch is not the reason the ball swings as I doubt likes of P & B kumar played much on greentops. Thus they had to hone their skill to make as much help given by the conditions & weather as possible. And when you mention factors such as wind or humidity etc. it's part of the weather/atmospheric conditions.

Humidity is static while wind is kinetic. My apologies for not being clear. When I meant atmosphere not being helpful, I meant the cloud covering or the sunny nature aka weather exclusive of the wind. As I don't think the swing difference would be much between a sunny-windy day vs a cloudy-windy day. Unless ofcourse humidity has a great effect or if the cloud covering is making the bowlers think they can swing better (psychological effect). OR Maybe they need to strain less and settle into a better rhythm when they dont need to fight against a hot sun.

But what I know is, there are other factors that greatly contribute to the swing than the weather. Also it's completely wrong to not believe that the grass doesn't swing the ball. Ofcourse the grass doesn't make the ball swing in the air but it does off the pitch.

 

[cricket_online]

Humidity is static while wind is kinetic. My apologies for not being clear. When I meant atmosphere not being helpful, I meant the cloud covering or the sunny nature aka weather exclusive of the wind. As I don't think the swing difference would be much between a sunny-windy day vs a cloudy-windy day. Unless ofcourse humidity has a great effect or if the cloud covering is making the bowlers think they can swing better (psychological effect). OR Maybe they need to strain less and settle into a better rhythm when they dont need to fight against a hot sun.

But what I know is, there are other factors that greatly contribute to the swing than the weather. Also it's completely wrong to not believe that the grass doesn't swing the ball. Ofcourse the grass doesn't make the ball swing in the air but it does off the pitch.

That's seam movement (i.e., movement or deviation off the pitch), not swing. I've already said Seam movement is dependent on the pitch and the amount of grass.