Advice sought with bowling mechanic

[MasterBlaster76]

How often should you shine the ball?

 

[Deleted member 9102]

How often should you shine the ball?

Good question... I always forget to do it. Even without doing it there's loads of swing, especially with highly rated bowlers.

I haven't noticed any reverse swing though to be honest even when being thrown a fairly old ball in Career mode. How is it performed? Would an attempted outswinger go the other way and vice versa? There's no way to turn the ball around to deliberately attempt reverse swing so I don't think it's implemented too well if it's even there at all...

If anyone could post a video of reverse swing in the game it would be appreciated.

 

[ellgieff]

Yup, relieved they went this way, too.

Would you mind explaining how fielding works in career, i.e. How you field as yourself and how you switch to simulation mode? I am not sure I understand the logic; your player is always going to be on the field so how does the mechanic change?

I don't field as myself, except when I'm bowling. At the end of my innings, or the end of an over, I use "Simulate To Career Player".

I had a brief period (after I got chosen captain in Domestic FCC) where I was simulating a single over at a time so I could keep an eye on the fatigue levels of the other bowlers, and could make sure I got to bowl when I wanted to - but I've given up on that level of control because it doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

[Bahger]

So when you field as yourself, the interface is exactly the same but the only fielder you can control is your own player?

 

[ellgieff]

So when you field as yourself, the interface is exactly the same but the only fielder you can control is your own player?

As far as I'm aware, yes - bear in mind that I've only ever played career (plus a bit of match practise as a batsman), so I don't really know what it's like fielding in a match.

I imagine the camera having to switch from bowling to fielding would make things a little difficult, as you've said. For my career boy, the camera is always on him so I don't have that kind of trouble.

 

[MattW]

Good question... I always forget to do it. Even without doing it there's loads of swing, especially with highly rated bowlers

Apparently the AI shines the ball for you in simulated overs - surely that'll do about as much in the way of shining as you'd be able to do manually - and then the AI captain would probably take a new ball as soon as possible even if you were getting extra movement.

I pretty much only shine if I hit the wrong button - the animation takes too long and I've never noticed the impact. And I'd imagine if I bowled the perfect delivery that reversed and totally tricked the batsman, it would 'nearly shave a coat off the stumps' and be as pointless as every other good ball.

 

[ASHES_FAN]

could you guys also please explain spin, i have a problem with off spinners bowling leg spin and leg spinners bowling off spin. And for some reason it changes when go around the wicket. i also can't go over 440rpm with any bowler.

 

[Bahger]

could you guys also please explain spin, i have a problem with off spinners bowling leg spin and leg spinners bowling off spin. And for some reason it changes when go around the wicket. i also can't go over 440rpm with any bowler.

I have worked very hard on mastering spin and am doing very well with my career leg (wrist) spinner. (Well, he's a batting all-rounder but my batting averages are nothing to boast about, however...)

You need to get into a "thumb-rhythm" so that the run-up and delivery are smooth and precise. The sequence is:

Before run-up deflect LS to delivery type and hold it there while you press button for delivery length, which starts the run up.
Momentarily relax both thumbs.
Start to rotate LS in the intended direction for the spin (see below) as the bowler approaches the crease.
Time the rotation of the LS so that the ball release (RS forward) is executed at the same time as the LS completes more than three rotations, with the LS being released at the same point at which you started its rotation.

Other tips include:
Prepare to release the ball early, or you will deliver a short-pitched ball that will get punished.
Plan on using your standard delivery, i.s. off or leg spin, -- with varying lengths and RPMs -- about 70% of the time but:
Vary your delivery types and speeds, using topspin, backspin and googlies (doosras for off-spinners) to avoid becoming to predictable and easy to hit.

Over vs. around the wicket:

I have averaged five wickets per innings in my career using leg-spin in the following way:

I bowl right handed to right-handed batsmen over the wicket, using anti-clockwise rotation of the LS to produce leg-spin (i.e. ball moves inwards from batsman's leg-side, right to left). Aim to deliver the ball on the batsman's leg side (your right). Aiming is semi-automatic, really, difficult to mess up.

I bowl right handed to left-handed batsmen around the wicket, using clockwise rotation of the LS to produce leg-spin (i.e. ball moves inwards from leg-side, left to right). Aim to deliver the ball on the batsman's leg side (your left). Aiming is semi-automatic, really, difficult to mess up.

I suggest you get comfortable with this basic orthodox pattern and then start using different deliveries, with the appropriate spin direction/technique. Don't give any rotating spin input to a topspin or backspin delivery.

Good luck; I hope this helps.

 

[ellgieff]

I have averaged five wickets per innings in my career using leg-spin in the following way:

I bowl right handed to right-handed batsmen over the wicket, using anti-clockwise rotation of the LS to produce leg-spin (i.e. ball moves inwards from batsman's leg-side, right to left). Aim to deliver the ball on the batsman's leg side (your right). Aiming is semi-automatic, really, difficult to mess up.

I bowl right handed to left-handed batsmen around the wicket, using clockwise rotation of the LS to produce leg-spin (i.e. ball moves inwards from leg-side, left to right). Aim to deliver the ball on the batsman's leg side (your left). Aiming is semi-automatic, really, difficult to mess up.

I suggest you get comfortable with this basic orthodox pattern and then start using different deliveries, with the appropriate spin direction/technique. Don't give any rotating spin input to a topspin or backspin delivery.

Good luck; I hope this helps.

Nice one man.

The only issue I can see is that you shouldn't be changing direction of LS spin - and the result you should be getting when you do change the direction is that you don't get any spin at all when you go clockwise (clockwise is for off break bowlers). What difficulty level and platform are you on?

 

[Biggs]

if I bowled the perfect delivery that reversed and totally tricked the batsman, it would 'nearly shave a coat off the stumps' and be as pointless as every other good ball.

In career mode on the rare occasions I bowl (T20 formats only) I tend to agree with the good balls being wasted theory. I feel online gives you the best bang for your buck for good deliveries getting results and you can certainly trap a player with a field-change or similar tactics online better than you can against the AI. As a part time spinner in career mode with average success in later-overs of a match all my wickets are caught in the outfield, I think I've had one LBW but not often will a good delivery get me much against the AI in career.

 

[Bahger]

Nice one man.

The only issue I can see is that you shouldn't be changing direction of LS spin - and the result you should be getting when you do change the direction is that you don't get any spin at all when you go clockwise (clockwise is for off break bowlers). What difficulty level and platform are you on?

I'm still on amateur in my career, ellgieff, I've only had the game for five days. I realise that I would not be so effective on Pro or higher. I am surprised, though that the game might be cutting me a break in terms of the reverse spin. Without being able to reverse the spin, I'd be having to bowl off-breaks at left-handlers, right?

 

[ellgieff]

I'm still on amateur in my career, ellgieff, I've only had the game for five days. I realise that I would not be so effective on Pro or higher. I am surprised, though that the game might be cutting me a break in terms of the reverse spin. Without being able to reverse the spin, I'd be having to bowl off-breaks at left-handlers, right?

The directions of spinning the LS should have no effect on the direction the ball goes. That's related to the delivery you pick (assuming your leggie is right handed, whether you're bowling a googly or not)

From a left handers perspective, a standard leg-break is an off-break, yes - but you can bowl googlies at them if you really need the ball to be going away from them.

I'm not talking about it being ineffective, I'm saying that reversing the direction of LS rotation should fail to give you any spin at all.

 

[Bahger]

Good to know. Oddly, the no-spin blanks I had been firing from around the wicket claimed several victims.