All Time ODI XI

[Aalay]

Well I will take a shot at this one:

Hashim Amla
Chris Gayle
Ricky Ponting
Sachin Tendulkar
Viv Richards
MS Dhoni
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan
Joel Garner

 

[1iram1]

I'll do Bangladesh just for sheets and giggles

I.Kayes : 48 ODIs, 1315 runs @ 27.98
T.Iqbal : 113 ODIs, 3369 runs @ 30.08
R.Saleh : 43 ODIs, 1005 @ 23.93 & 15 wkts @ 30.60
A.Ali Khan : 19 ODIs, 532 runs @ 29.56
M.Mahmudullah : 80 ODIs, 1427 runs @ 31.02 & 44 wkts @ 46.09
M.Ashraful : 171 ODIs, 3396 runs @ 22.49 & 18 wkts @ 36.72
S.Al-Hasan (c) : 126 ODIs, 3637 runs @ 35.66 & 160 wkts @ 28.86
M.Rahim (wk) : 108 ODIs, 2047 runs @ 25.27 & 75/31 ct/st
M.Mortaza : 124 ODIs, 1197 runs @ 15.35 & 157 wkts @ 30.83
A.Razzak : 133 ODIs, 657 runs @ 12.88 & 185 wkts @ 28.13
S.Rasel : 52 ODIs, 81 runs @ 4.76 & 61 wkts @ 33.62

Unfortunately not very strong in batting, a number of decent but not enough strong all-rounders which leaves the likes of Mushfiqur Rahim and Shakib Al-Hasan lower down the order than ideal. But I think there's enough bowling there and deep enough batting it could shock a few of the bigger sides every now and then.

And probably @ sifter more than anyone, no batting order is rigid and inflexible unless you are an England captain and innovation is just a word you heard once but didn't get.

I've left Mohammed Rafique out simply because I think subsequent spinners have done more, not to say he (and others for other countries) doesn't deserve a mention or would be in contention if a fictional squad across the eras were possible to enter in a World Cup.

M.Rafique : 125 ODIs, 1190 runs @ 13.37 & 125 wkts @ 37.91

Hmm, interesting squad. But I would probably put Nasir Hossain in there and replace Imrul Kayes with Shahriar Nafees if we're only looking at stats. Oh, and replace Saleh with Habibul Bashar.

 

[sifter132]

No way re McCullum, you don't just pick keepers on batting and you seem to flit between picking on stats then going against them, deciding some have played too few ODIs etc - make your mind up. I seem to recall Parore holding the record for most runs scored without conceding a bye.

Haha - I like your style I love stats, and i ALWAYS start there, but I try not to let them cloud my thinking completely. Often it doesn't work And sometimes I just like being the contrary point of view, bringing up players who others don't like or don't rate and putting them in the mix.

I try to use the few ODIs thing when a player wasn't a regular in the team eg. Fairbrother - that's not his fault per se, he did well when picked but he spent probably 5 years out of ODI cricket when the selectors didn't see him as worthy of being in the side. Other guys can't help that they've played only a handful eg. the guys from the 70s and 80s.

Anyway, am gonna start a bit of an ODI history thread today - you need to come and participate Actually you all need to, not just Owzat

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Here's my new thread - come, look, share
http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/cricket-discussion/odi-history-thread-what-do-79643.html

 

[macintosh]

My ODI XI,

Stephen Fleming(c)
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Viv Richards
Kevin Pietersen
Yuvraj Singh
Andrew Symonds
Andrew Flintoff
Mark Boucher(wk)
Nathan Bracken
Shane Bond
Muralitharan


I have put more emphasis on team combination, some of the players in the team might not be the 'greatest' ODI players but they still find a place in the team because I wanted the right mix.

Stephen Fleming is in the team for his overall value as a captain and as an opener, I rate Fleming's captaincy very highly and that's the major reason for him being in the team, I have selected Boucher because I wanted a wicket keeper batsman who would focus more on his keeping, I strongly believe that in the shorter formats 1 missed opportunity might be the difference, 1 dropped catch or a missed stumping might be the game,so I have selected the best keeper in my opinion.

My batting lineup is full of impact players who can change the game from any situation, the amount of depth in the batting is also a major positive for the team.

The Bowling Lineup has a lot of variety and can be effective in most conditions,
the part time spinners are also a really big plus for the team.

I wonder why Symonds isnt there in most of the teams selected by other posters,
he is an excellent fielder, as a bowler he can switch between off spin and medium pace depending on the pitch, and with the bat he can win matches single handedly, I guess some players are just beyond stats, his stats don't justify what a big match winner he was.

 

[puddleduck]

People often fail to appreciate that in ODI cricket batting stats are highly misleading. Position in the order, the quality of the team and when they come into bat can all play a huge part. Someone who often comes in to a confident side that bats first, down the order with licence to hit may well get out a lot more for 20-30 than other players at a high strike rate. All because the team needs him to play that role. Similarily another player might end up with lots of chases, with 20 overs at bat where his role is to be there when the chase is completed, they are more likely to average higher but with a potential moderate strike rate.

Essentially Symonds is the former, but he also had the ability to score blistering hundreds on the off chance non of the top 4 got a big score before he could

 

[sifter132]

I like your approach Macintosh, and it raises a lot of other questions: eg. is Fleming's captaincy really that much better than Ricky Ponting's for example? Or Boucher's keeping clearly superior to Dhoni or Gilchrist? I would say no to both those because I think both skills are overrated, but I'm glad someone has valued them

As for Symonds, yeah he was a talented boy, and once he finally 'got it' between 2003-2008 he was a fantastic player. That said, his bowling was always overrated - versatile, but largely toothless and it took him about 5 years of mediocrity to finally start acting on his talent. If Shane Watson hadn't been injured before the 03 World Cup, Symonds' career might have been over. As it was it needed Ponting to beg for his inclusion. He does fit pretty well in an alltime XI though because he could finish well and most have someone else that can bowl in the top 6 so he wouldn't have to bowl all 10 overs.

 

[macintosh]

I like your approach Macintosh, and it raises a lot of other questions: eg. is Fleming's captaincy really that much better than Ricky Ponting's for example? Or Boucher's keeping clearly superior to Dhoni or Gilchrist? I would say no to both those because I think both skills are overrated, but I'm glad someone has valued them

Its a matter of personal choice at times, we are not in a great position to judge that X player is better than Y, different players play in different conditions, I have chosen Boucher over Gilchrist because I wanted someone who could come in low down the order and hit a few runs and concentrate more on his keeping, Boucher has anyways had that role in SA, so I have picked him. The best wicket keeper in my opinion is Paul Nixon, but he has just 19 ODIs to his name, so its difficult to pick him in the team.

I rate Stephen Fleming very highly because of the way he handled the team with the limited resources he had, he didn't have many match winners, but the results he achieved despite of that was something special.

 

[puddleduck]

People oversell the Fleming thing. They had a decent team and achieved as much as they should have, especially in the short form.

I think some people end up confusing NZ being a small country in terms of playerbase and as such doing well to have a good team, with NZ being a team of average players that Fleming somehow inspired to overachieve. Good captain though.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Hey, this old thread.

I stick to the XI I posted in the first post. Definitely the strongest ODI side I can imagine. Garner, Saqlain, Dhoni do deserve mention I supposed. They could fill out the squad. But that starting XI stands.

 

[macintosh]

People oversell the Fleming thing. They had a decent team and achieved as much as they should have, especially in the short form.

I think some people end up confusing NZ being a small country in terms of playerbase and as such doing well to have a good team, with NZ being a team of average players that Fleming somehow inspired to overachieve. Good captain though.

I think Fleming was a great captain especially in ODIs, m not comparing him to the other captains of his era but the way he used his resources, his management of overs, field placements, tactics, team selection etc. were just brilliant, he was an ideal captain,
and he didn't have as many match winners as someone like a Ponting or a Dhoni had, nor did he ever have a very balanced side, but he managed his team pretty well.

 

[Ali Khan67]

I think Fleming was a great captain especially in ODIs, m not comparing him to the other captains of his era but the way he used his resources, his management of overs, field placements, tactics, team selection etc. were just brilliant, he was an ideal captain,
and he didn't have as many match winners as someone like a Ponting or a Dhoni had, nor did he ever have a very balanced side, but he managed his team pretty well.

A interesting

[B]MY 011

1.CHRIS GAYLE
2.SACHIN TENDULKAR
3.DONALD BRADMAN
4.GARFIELD SOBBERS
5.W.G GRACE
6.SHAHID AFRIDI
7.MS DHONI
8.SHANE WARNE
9.WASIM AKRAM
10.IMRAAN KHAN
11.MALCOLM MARSHAL
[/B]

 

[Dare]

A interesting

[B]MY 011

1.CHRIS GAYLE
2.SACHIN TENDULKAR
3.DONALD BRADMAN
4.GARFIELD SOBBERS
5.W.G GRACE
6.SHAHID AFRIDI
7.MS DHONI
8.SHANE WARNE
9.WASIM AKRAM
10.IMRAAN KHAN
11.MALCOLM MARSHAL
[/B]

You do realize that this is ODI XI?? Bradman, Grace and Sobers?

 

[cricket_icon]

Not sure if I posted here before but here's my XI (subject to change):

1. S Tendulkar
2. S Jayasuriya
3. R Ponting
4. V Richards
5. J Kallis
6. I Khan C
7. A Gilchrist WK
8. W Akram
9. M Muralitharan
10. W Younis
11. J Garner

 

[sami ullah khan]

^That is a mean bowling attack you got there

 

[harishankar]

I'll take a shot:

Probably this is a team I'd back to win a World Cup if it were a possibility

1. Sachin Tendulkar - (India) - Probably the best batsman over the longest period of time.
2. Adam Gilchrist (W) - (Australia) - Arguably the best wicket keeper batsman ever
3. Aravinda De Silva - (Sri Lanka) - Masterclass champion batsman
4. Viv Richards - (West Indies) - One of the Legend of golden era of WI cricket and destructive player
5. Kevin Pietersen - (England) - Destructive and class batsman of the modern game
6. Michael Bevan - (Australia) - Best finisher in the game, ever
7. Wasim Akram - (Pakistan) - Great all rounder and fast bowling legend
8. Kapil Dev (C) - (India) - Inspiration leader and all rounder
9. Shaun Pollock - (South Africa) - great control, dependability and accuracy - one of the legends of seam bowling
10. Muttiah Muralitharan - (Sri Lanka) - probably the best spin weapon
11. Shane Bond - (New Zealand) - for the express pace + swing

Very hard to leave out certain legends in the above team, but of course, I have leaned more in favour of teams that have won the World Cup. I would obviously tweak the batting order in different situations. I also wanted at least 1 player from the Test playing nations. I couldn't find anybody from Bangladesh, because they don't have a long enough history in ODI cricket yet.

EDITED: Some obvious strong contenders: Imran Khan, Jacques Kallis, Glenn McGrath, Lance Klusener etc.