BCCI making the Indian Players Slog

[BKB1991]

I am sorry, but IPL is just not an excuse. Indian players play alot of cricket, but they know their bodies best of all, and they should know their priorities. If it starts effecting your international career, you do need to sort yourself out.

 

[angryangy]

Player plays two games in three months, gets injured. People blame workload.

 

[Owzat]

Excuses are easy to make, difficult to disprove, but generally are just a cover for failings. One good example was the "Broad the enforcer" excuse, claims he was told to bowl short. Suddenly he bowls full, takes wickets and noone is claiming that, in fact ECB denied it, and everyone is left wondering what kind of plank Broad is for having not bowled fuller sooner.

England didn't fail in the World Cup because of fatigue and a busy schedule, NOBODY forced them to pick mostly Test players involved in said busy schedule, and nobody forced them to pick Shight, Yardy and Tredwell who are a combination of Shite, Shite and inexperienced. Was it fatigue that meant they had Bangladesh 169/8 chasing 226 to win and couldn't finish them off? Was it fatigue that cost England against Ireland when Ireland were 111/5 chasing 328 to win? Nope, England didn't bowl well enough, in the Ireland case Yardy 0/49 off 7 overs, Bresnan 1/64 and Broad 0/73 off 9 overs says all that needs to be said.

So I think the answer with India is that they have become wrapped up in IPL, $$$$, and shorter version of the games, and have become lacksadaisical. Funny how Dravid just got on with it, the others seem to be taking longer to "adjust" yet plenty have got starts, made 50s etc and the biggest problem might be they are happy to blame any excuse/scapegoat and is Dhoni not one of those being scapegoated? Put your hands up and admit you've not done your job, you'll get more credit for doing that. If you just hide behind the excuses then England will be 3-0 up in no time, you can still do something about it.

Oh and this series has (further) exposed fielding flaws and a bad attitude to umpires, that is nothing to do with schedules or too much/too little cricket.

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Player plays two games in three months, gets injured. People blame workload.

How much do they play in IPL? Even if every 2nd or 3rd day they're fielding for 20 overs (120 balls), batting for up to 20 overs but probably no more than half that tops, and bowling for 4 overs (24 balls) I suspect it is more a case of laziness, probably so used to being paid top dollar for doing next to nothing that having to field for 90 overs (540 balls), bowl maybe 25 overs in the day (150 balls) and bat for any length of time for a relative small amount makes them lethargic, disinterested and when things aren't going their way it just makes for terrible cricket. Do you think Harbhajan was that interested with little turn and reward? Or when batsmen are in a pressure situation they want to grind out runs and/or support their partner, or hide in the dressing room?

Or maybe it's simply a case of only singh when your winning................

 

[mohit_dude10]

I wont blame BCCI entirely although schedule is pretty much tight, but just look at the physique of our players, BCCI cant go around telling them to keep themselves fit. Its their job to keep themselves fit when they are rested.

 

[sifter132]

I'm glad you mentioned England and the World Cup Owzat Fans are always looking for reasons why things haven't gone as planned, some are valid some aren't. For example, if this wasn't Duncan Fletcher's first series, his head would be on the block, no matter how many catches were dropped or poor shots played.

As for the IPL, it's my impression that it's not so much the onfield stuff that drains, it's the off field: staying back after games for sponsors parties until all hours of the morning, travelling every 2nd day to a different city.

 

[War]

England struggled in the world-cup due to a combination of traditional crap ODI selection and a crazy jam-pack schedule of having to play the Ashes & world-cup back to back.

This was the problem in 2002/03 and 2006/07 and the ENG players know it, this is why in the new FTP ENG rightfully will never have the Ashes and WC clashing in a winter tour scheduled.

 

[angryangy]

How much do they play in IPL? Even if every 2nd or 3rd day they're fielding for 20 overs (120 balls), batting for up to 20 overs but probably no more than half that tops, and bowling for 4 overs (24 balls) I suspect it is more a case of laziness, probably so used to being paid top dollar for doing next to nothing that having to field for 90 overs (540 balls), bowl maybe 25 overs in the day (150 balls) and bat for any length of time for a relative small amount makes them lethargic, disinterested and when things aren't going their way it just makes for terrible cricket. Do you think Harbhajan was that interested with little turn and reward? Or when batsmen are in a pressure situation they want to grind out runs and/or support their partner, or hide in the dressing room?

I just think that for players expected to do a Test series at a rate of 10 days play per fortnight, committing to T20 for a length time is probably about as bad for fitness as not training.

However, IPL was months ago. Zaheer Khan has broken down twice since then, on the same ankle. Is it more likely that it's somehow due to IPL, or perhaps because his treatment and rehab have been poor?

 

[Viren]

Ipl should be quit

 

[Atharv]

I think the players are being made to work like donkeys and therefore players like Zaheer Khan get injuired so quickly.Just 6 Days after the World Cup 2011, Ipl 2011 then in 3 days they go to West Indies and after the end of that in 5 Days to England.
What do you all think?

India's performance was inexcusable . But such things happen . I hope they restore some sort of sanity to their batting. They are better than this,much better and they have played faster and better bowler than the current English bunch. Schedule cannot be an excuse. Zak is getting injured again and again for last 2-3 years because he is overweight(and I am being polite ) and unfit. There are a few undeserving players in this Indian team.
IMO the selection committee and BCCI is more answerable for this loss than the players.

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I am fairly sure that nearly the entire England team would turn down the IPL if it stood a chance of affecting their international test careers. Some already have. They are well enough paid and driven by pride and a desire to be the best. The IPL is not an excuse that can be used. If a player wants to chase the money, then by all means sod off and let someone else take your place in the test team. Dhoni has made more than enough money in his career thus far, he could have taken the decision to skip it.

For example a LOT of Australians play in the IPL, but very few of their international regulars. The pinacle is representing your country, not cashing a large cheque and buying a boat.

Maybe you should check this

Lack of IPL exposure is keeping us behind: Flintoff



IMK, only Michael Clark and Mitchell Johnson from Australia have refused to play IPL

Mitchell Johnson did express "interest" in IPL .

Settled Johnson sets sights on IPL | Australia Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

No idea why he backed out.

Not many IPL teams would be keen to pick Clarke .


About Boppara I have no idea.

 

[Fenil]

IPL or no IPL, if a player thinks there's too much cricket going on for his body to tackle it, he (especially the senior players whose places are cemented in the squad) can take a rest from a series and come back fresh and fit in the subsequent series. Thats it. Problem solved. By doing this, even the bench strength can be tested and many young and talented players can get a chance to get some exposure at the highest level.

 

[puddleduck]

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Maybe you should check this

Lack of IPL exposure is keeping us behind: Flintoff



IMK, only Michael Clark and Mitchell Johnson from Australia have refused to play IPL

Mitchell Johnson did express "interest" in IPL .


No idea why he backed out.

Not many IPL teams would be keen to pick Clarke .


About Boppara I have no idea.

Freddy may have been a fantastically gifted bowling all-rounder, but he was a terrible captain and as history has now demonstrated, miles out with that comment. You'll notice he refers to the chance to "learn more skills" as the motivating reason, which highlights that if it interferes with their international careers they would not have chased the dollar sign. Thank you though for bringing up an article that is 2 years old and kind of rams home my point

I've not seen Ponting batting at 3? Why? Because he had plenty of workload as Australia captain, much like Dhoni does as India captain. Yet Ponting specifically avoided the extra pay cheques because his commitment was to his country and their team. Pretty sure people would have been keen to have him, also if nothing clashes then there's nothing wrong with getting involved as Bopara and Mascarenhas did. People, and myself, take issue with other people and pundits using the IPL as some kind of excuse for India's players being tired. Clearly, it is nothing more than smokescreen.

To quote from the article on Johnson - "A desire to secure his spot with the Test outfit stopped Johnson from taking part in the initial IPL intake, but he is now ready for more work. "Physically, he has become a lot stronger," Johnson's manager Sam Halvorsen said in the Age. "If they go to Pakistan they won't be playing anyway, but in the event that they don't ... it's an alternative he can handle."

So he made sure his test spot was secure first, he prioritised that, and then only will play if it didn't clash with an international tour. Really you've highlighted all my points, I'm not sure that was your intention, but thank you again

 

[SaiSrini]

IPL or no IPL, if a player thinks there's too much cricket going on for his body to tackle it, he (especially the senior players whose places are cemented in the squad) can take a rest from a series and come back fresh and fit in the subsequent series. Thats it. Problem solved. By doing this, even the bench strength can be tested and many young and talented players can get a chance to get some exposure at the highest level.

You're joking right? You dont know how hard it is for a player to decide not to play for India and take rest? With the kind of talent we have, someone comes in and does very well, you're place is under huge threat and you can even lose your place. Only Sachin and Dhoni can take the liberty to take rests whenever they want.

 

[Atharv]

Freddy may have been a fantastically gifted bowling all-rounder, but he was a terrible captain and as history has now demonstrated, miles out with that comment. You'll notice he refers to the chance to "learn more skills" as the motivating reason, which highlights that if it interferes with their international careers they would not have chased the dollar sign. Thank you though for bringing up an article that is 2 years old and kind of rams home my point

I've not seen Ponting batting at 3? Why? Because he had plenty of workload as Australia captain, much like Dhoni does as India captain. Yet Ponting specifically avoided the extra pay cheques because his commitment was to his country and their team. Pretty sure people would have been keen to have him, also if nothing clashes then there's nothing wrong with getting involved as Bopara and Mascarenhas did. People, and myself, take issue with other people and pundits using the IPL as some kind of excuse for India's players being tired. Clearly, it is nothing more than smokescreen.

To quote from the article on Johnson - "A desire to secure his spot with the Test outfit stopped Johnson from taking part in the initial IPL intake, but he is now ready for more work. "Physically, he has become a lot stronger," Johnson's manager Sam Halvorsen said in the Age. "If they go to Pakistan they won't be playing anyway, but in the event that they don't ... it's an alternative he can handle."

So he made sure his test spot was secure first, he prioritised that, and then only will play if it didn't clash with an international tour. Really you've highlighted all my points, I'm not sure that was your intention, but thank you again

Your initial argument here suggested that India players were in the IPL for money. That is not the case and hence I posted that reply .
Learn more skills means make more money . Flintoff could have learned many skills in England where a lot of T-20 is played but he wanted to play IPL . I have absolutely no idea why
Ponting's performance was really,really bad in IPL and he was available for 5 matches out of 14 in 2009 . So SRK decided to buy him out. I don't think anybody would have approached him if he had gone under the hammer for this years auction. International commitments was a good reason to stay away from auction .
Also IPl franchisees don't seem to be too keen on Clarke.
That leaves Mitchell Johson . As I have said I have no idea why he backed out after showing "interest" in IPL . I can speculate about the reasons but I won't
Contrary to what you said there are many international players from all countries, including Aus. and Eng. who are playing IPL and it is not interefering in any way with their international commitments. IPl is legally bound to release them for their International games.

 

[puddleduck]

Well if it's responsible for their fatigue, why do they not take a break since it's only a domestic competition? I'm not blaming the IPL, I'm saying that it is not an excuse and the fact so many other players play in it without it affecting them is testament to that. I'd say Freddy is an exceptional case seeing as how when that article was published his career was very nearly over anyway and he would almost certainly have been eyeing a last payday. He also put his body through everything for his country though so I feel he earnt that right.

 

[Atharv]

Well if it's responsible for their fatigue, why do they not take a break since it's only a domestic competition? I'm not blaming the IPL, I'm saying that it is not an excuse and the fact so many other players play in it without it affecting them is testament to that. I'd say Freddy is an exceptional case seeing as how when that article was published his career was very nearly over anyway and he would almost certainly have been eyeing a last payday. He also put his body through everything for his country though so I feel he earnt that right.

Where did I or Dhoni or any Indian player say that IPL is responsible for the fatigue .


All Indian players who have a contract with BCCI are put up for auction by default(is that the right word ? English is not my first language ). They cannot do anything about it unless and untill they are injured.So they cannot just get up and walk away for a well deserved rest.

My guess is Dhoni was referring to the windies tour . Instead of going to the Windies tour If Indian team had come to England a bit earlier and played some warm up games things would have been a bit different. I think Dhoni was talking about Windies tour.
But I think flawed selection was the biggest culprit in India's massive defeat.
I am not taking away anything from England. They played brilliant cricket. Just that India are a much much better team than what they are doing now.