Chris Broad / Stuart Broad

[Dare]

Testing positive for performance enhancing drugs twice, whether he served his time or not is far worse than anything Broad has done. Broad's misdemeanors have been due to petulance and immaturity; Asif's down to being a cheating moron. Don't get why what he did in this game, which was almost identical to what Broad did has been completely ignored.

He missed. Figure it out. The most accurate bowler today actually misses (probably the lack of intent to actually try and hit the batsman) and on the other hand Broad who is far less accurate manages to concentrate hard enough and hit the batsman in the shoulder.
As I said what track record other then his personal does Asif have? Like hitting the batsman with the ball, celebrating without appealing and other warnings from the umps/match ref.

 

[sohum]

I didn't watch Asif's supposed "same thing". Anyone care to fill me in with a video?

I am partly with Dare here. On a glance, it doesn't really look like Broad apologized to the batsman. Now you can say that's because he's being competitive and doesn't want to surrender the competitive edge, but you can also say he's just being a plain jackass.

People throw the ball at the stumps all the time. But they usually apologize even if they miss, for example, if they make the batsman swerve out of the way or something. If a bowler hits the batsman on that follow-through aim, most bowlers will go up to the batsman and check that he's okay. I don't buy all the crap about this being no different from a bouncer. I've seen Shoaib Akthar profusely apologize to batsmen after striking them with bouncers. Bouncers are completely different anyway, because they are taking place during action.

In comparison, Broad's throw was an afterthought after the action had passed (and the ball had died, or was very close to dying). Anyone claiming that he was seriously trying to get the batsman out must be watching a different match.

People do things in sports when they're frustrated all the time. Most players just have the class to apologize when they've crossed the line.

 

[Owzat]

There isn't much difference between Haider getting hit by Broad's throw or Farhat getting hit in the head by his bouncer. Both actions ultimately have the intent to harm. Nobody bowls a bouncer hoping not to hit the batsman or get him out.

They are completely different, one is within the laws of the game and the other is a petulant act when the ball is dead.

When you bowl the ball a bouncer is a weapon in your armoury, it shouldn't be used to try and hit the batsman, BUT if the batsman doesn't get out of the way then that is a possible consequence. That is also why tailenders are supposedly protected, they have less ability so are more likely to be hit.

Throwing the ball at the batsman is just petulant and not at all sporting. The ball is usually dead as the batsman is rarely attempting a run when bowlers do it, and quite often out of frustration. I think Broad has seen other bowlers do it, aim at the stumps, and thought he could get a sly throw at the bowler. The way he puts in a token apology suggests that it was fully intentional, the fact that he admitted to the offence charged merely confirms it.

England don't need idiots like Broad if they are going to do things like that He needs to grow up fast and perhaps take some counselling.

 

[King Pietersen]

He missed. Figure it out. The most accurate bowler today actually misses (probably the lack of intent to actually try and hit the batsman) and on the other hand Broad who is far less accurate manages to concentrate hard enough and hit the batsman in the shoulder.
As I said what track record other then his personal does Asif have? Like hitting the batsman with the ball, celebrating without appealing and other warnings from the umps/match ref.

That's a pathetic excuse. Asif had exactly the same intent as Broad, threw the ball harder than Broad but missed, so he gets away with it. Not sure what the accuracy of someone's bowling action has to do with the accuracy of their throwing arm either, 2 completely different things. Also, Collingwood had to move out of the way to avoid Asif's throw, so he wasn't wildly inaccurate.

What track record of throwing the ball back at Batsmen does Broad have? He's had warnings for other things, but those incidents are as relevant to this one as Asif's drug bans are.

Broad did apologise too. Putting your hand up like Broad did, is an apology in cricket, it always has been. He looked at the batsman, and put his hand up to say sorry. What more do you expect him to do? Go and give Haider a kiss and a cuddle and tell him he loves him really and didn't mean to do it. He apologised. It might not have been the most extravagant of apologies but he did apologise.

 

[AngryPixel]

Putting up your hand for what " Sorry mate i missed next time i wont" ...Both of them are guilty....

 

[Dare]

That's a pathetic excuse. Asif had exactly the same intent as Broad, threw the ball harder than Broad but missed, so he gets away with it. Not sure what the accuracy of someone's bowling action has to do with the accuracy of their throwing arm either, 2 completely different things. Also, Collingwood had to move out of the way to avoid Asif's throw, so he wasn't wildly inaccurate.

As I said Asif has no track record of stepping on cricket balls, not appealing for LBWs, edges and just celebrating or just being a jackass in general. Maybe Asif didn't want to hit Collingwood as badly as Broad wanted to hit the Haider, the point was that if Asif wanted to hit Collingwood he sure as hell could have.

What track record of throwing the ball back at Batsmen does Broad have? He's had warnings for other things, but those incidents are as relevant to this one as Asif's drug bans are.

Not even close to being relevant. Asifs issues were off-field problems. It might have affected his performance on the field but he did not do any of the stupid ████ that Broad has done over his career on the field. Two have nothing in common.
I never said that Broad has a track record of throwing the ball at batsman he has a track record of doing other immature and stupid ████.

Broad did apologise too. Putting your hand up like Broad did, is an apology in cricket, it always has been. He looked at the batsman, and put his hand up to say sorry. What more do you expect him to do? Go and give Haider a kiss and a cuddle and tell him he loves him really and didn't mean to do it. He apologised. It might not have been the most extravagant of apologies but he did apologise.

Didn't even look at him. He was basically turned around and he barely put his arm up and then walked away. It implies that he wasn't really sorry for hitting him and that he meant to do it. Big difference when Jones hit Hayden and when Broad hit Haider the apology was much more sincere except that it was Hayden getting hit and he doesn't take ████ like that easily.

 

[Owzat]

Didn't even look at him. He was basically turned around and he barely put his arm up and then walked away. It implies that he wasn't really sorry for hitting him and that he meant to do it. Big difference when Jones hit Hayden and when Broad hit Haider the apology was much more sincere except that it was Hayden getting hit and he doesn't take ████ like that easily.

Broad didn't look, he didn't care. The apology was 'token' ie he was seen to make some kind of apology, that coupled with the deliberate throw AT the batsman not the stumps says that he knew what he was doing and wasn't sorry. Sorry probably means as much to Broad as it does to a pre-teen kid, not a lot except they know it can get them out of trouble.

A person who works in our office was thoroughly unprofessional towards me on several occasions, I had little choice but to report the incidents to a supervisor as it covered me and it was making it hard for us to work together. She didn't apologise for her actions, I'm not particularly bothered as apologies don't count for much when someone does something intentionally and you don't accidentally do what she did - and in Broad's case that was no accident. Both are immature, whatever her problem is she needs to lose the attitude and so does Broad.

 

[Insomniac]

Stuart Broad should now be banned for however long Zulqarnain is out of the team.

Zulqarnain Haider suffers fractured finger | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com

Seriously, let's just have Aamir chuck a ball at Matt Prior next game so he can't keep wicket. I thought he was just simply hit on the glove and the glove took the blow, but apparently not.

 

[Chewie]

There's no way to definitively prove that the throw had anything to do with it

 

[nightprowler10]

I'd like to see you go up to Broad personally and call him a pussy. There isn't much difference between Haider getting hit by Broad's throw or Farhat getting hit in the head by his bouncer. Both actions ultimately have the intent to harm. Nobody bowls a bouncer hoping not to hit the batsman or get him out.

Ridiculous. One's part of the game the other is just Broad acting out of frustration after the ball was dead. Should bowlers start bowling beamers at batsmen would you still say it has the same intent as a bouncer?

Even more importantly, there's no difference between what Broad did to Haider, and what Asif did to Collingwood. Yet I don't see calls for a ban for Asif.

FFS. The intent is always to throw the ball towards the batsman to keep him on his toes. Many bowlers do this successfully, English bowlers more than most, but if they ever miss and hit the batsman instead, as Broad did, they usually have the sense to properly apologize (see SO Jones v Hayden) and expect disciplinary action for doing so.

I'm surprised people don't see why this is such a big deal and are defending Broad. By hitting the batsman you're risking injuring him and you should by all rights get the full extent of the punishment.

Haider might now miss the rest of his debut series after having a good debut match in which he showed more gutso than the rest of the team. Sad to say the least.

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There's no way to definitively prove that the throw had anything to do with it

How about asking Haider?

 

[Howsie]

I'd like to see you go up to Broad personally and call him a pussy. There isn't much difference between Haider getting hit by Broad's throw or Farhat getting hit in the head by his bouncer. Both actions ultimately have the intent to harm. Nobody bowls a bouncer hoping not to hit the batsman or get him out.

Wow, this really is a ridiculous comment.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Can't believe Broad wasn't banned. What a douche move. Someone should just whack him with a bat next time.

 

[Insomniac]

I'll walk up to Broad and call him a pussy.

I seriously will, because he easily is the biggest one in World Cricket to this day.

And what's he gonna do, fight me? I'm sorry but Broad doesn't scare me. Now James Anderson, well I might mutter it under my breath (if the same events occured).

 

[Ollie_H]

Stuart Broad should now be banned for however long Zulqarnain is out of the team.

Zulqarnain Haider suffers fractured finger | Cricket News | England v Pakistan 2010 | Cricinfo.com

Seriously, let's just have Aamir chuck a ball at Matt Prior next game so he can't keep wicket. I thought he was just simply hit on the glove and the glove took the blow, but apparently not.

That's complete conspiracy considering he PALMED it away instead of knocking it back with the padding.

 

[Sureshot]

I'm closing this thread, it serves no purpose and is full of ridiculous statements from both sides of the coin.