Champions League CLT20 4 Returns to south africa

[ferg512]

Glad that Auckland made it through, didn't plan on watching any of this (not a fan of this tournament at all) but I might have a look at some of the Auckland games. Hopefully Mahmood can keep up his current form, if they play to their potential they should do well but its going to be hard against the overpowered IPL teams.

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What a joke that the two matches tonight are for nothing, may as well just call it a draw and go home. Why are there so many dead rubbers in cricket compared to other sports? The people scheduling these tournaments just have no idea whatsoever.

 

[CG123]

Glad that Auckland made it through, didn't plan on watching any of this (not a fan of this tournament at all) but I might have a look at some of the Auckland games. Hopefully Mahmood can keep up his current form, if they play to their potential they should do well but its going to be hard against the overpowered IPL teams.

I watched the second half of our first game, the second innings was just starting when I got up at 6am. I decided against watching the one last night though, because 1am is just at the exact wrong time, and I'd stayed up and watched all of New Zealand's T20 World Cup games with disappointment. I did watch the highlights package at like 9.30am though before I knew the result.

We've got two games at each of the times, but I guess it really comes down to how well we do in the first couple of games as to whether I'll be watching anything other than just the second innings of the late game, which involves only getting up an hour earlier than I normally do.

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What a joke that the two matches tonight are for nothing, may as well just call it a draw and go home. Why are there so many dead rubbers in cricket compared to other sports? The people scheduling these tournaments just have no idea whatsoever.

The second games should've been the loser of the first game vs the team who hadn't played yet, which would've meant that these games would both be guaranteed to mean something.

I guess they thought that the NZ team would be the weakest, and the WI and SL teams would be stronger.

 

[Haarithan]

Have you got the stats to back it up? (I'm sure you do, I just want to see it. )

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It is ridiculous though, I agree. If I were to do it, it'd be like this; without qualification.

India - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
Australia - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
South Africa - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
Pakistan - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
England - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
Sri Lanka - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
West Indies - 1 team, winner.
New Zealand - 1 team, winner.
Bangladesh - 1 team, winner.
Zimbabwe - 1 team, winner.

16 teams, the competition will be longer than say I'd like, but this is the fairest way you could do it.

Or you could do something like this; with qualification.

India - 2 teams, winner, runner-up.
Australia - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
South Africa - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
Pakistan - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
England - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.
Sri Lanka - 2 teams, winner and runner-up.

Qualification:

India - 1 team, table topper.
Australia - 1 team, table topper.
South Africa - 1 team, table topper.
Pakistan - 1 team, table topper.
England - 1 team, table topper.
Sri Lanka - 1 team, table topper.
West Indies - 1 team, winner.
New Zealand - 1 team, winner.
Bangladesh - 1 team, winner.
Zimbabwe - 1 team, winner.

4 teams(16 total) move on to the next stage, this way the likes of Trinidad & Tobago have a chance.

Yeah exactly. Had something like this prepared last season. Have now edited the same (until yesterday's results) and plan to send it as an article to Harsha Bhogle on twitter.

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2204799-post260.html

Also good to see a majority of the Indian fans agreeing the current tournament's format is a farce.

 

[Gaurav_7]

The whole tournament is stupid!

 

[ferg512]

The second games should've been the loser of the first game vs the team who hadn't played yet, which would've meant that these games would both be guaranteed to mean something.

I guess they thought that the NZ team would be the weakest, and the WI and SL teams would be stronger.

Also its not like they need to pre commit to who is going to play which game in the qualifiers as no one is really watching these games anyway (well people from the big markets), there really is no reason why they couldn't have done what you suggested. The dead rubbers in cricket are getting out of hand and something needs to be done, its the same situation with half the group matches in the world twenty20 as well they were just exhibition matches.

 

[Epic]

Yeah exactly. Had something like this prepared last season. Have now edited the same (until yesterday's results) and plan to send it as an article to Harsha Bhogle on twitter.

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2204799-post260.html

Also good to see a majority of the Indian fans agreeing the current tournament's format is a farce.

What I'd do is get it into some sort of point system, i.e give 1 point for a win, 0 for a loss and bonus points for say making it to the knockouts - basically the semis and final.

 

[Epic]

Eh, wth, I have nothing to do, I'll do it.

Raw points: (excluding the 2012 qualifiers)

India - 18 (I have removed 5 points earned by the Delhi Daredevils and the Kolkata Knight Riders - Nothing against the 2 franchises, just needed a way to balance out the sheer cheating that's been going on since the competition came about)
Australia - 18
South Africa - 14
West Indies - 9
England - 5
Sri Lanka - 3
Pakistan - 0 (they are yet to play a game)
New Zealand - 0
Bangladesh - 0 (they are yet to play a game)
Zimbabwe - 0 (they are yet to play a game)

Raw points + bonus points: (excluding the 2012 qualifiers)

India - 25 (18 + 7); 2 semi finalists in 2010, 1 finalist in 2010 and 2 semi finalists in 2011, 2 finalists in 2011
Australia - 22 (18 + 5); 2 semi finalists in 2009, 1 finalist in 2009, 1semi finalist in 2010 and another 1in 2011
South Africa - 17 (14 + 3); 1 semi finalist in 2009, 1 semi finalist in 2010 and 1 finalist in 2010
West Indies - 11 (9 + 2); 1 semi finalist in 2009 and 1 finalist in 2009
England - 6 (5 + 1); 1 semi finalist in 2011
Sri Lanka - 3 (+0)
Pakistan - 0 (they are yet to play a game)
New Zealand - 0 (+0)
Bangladesh - 0 (they are yet to play a game)
Zimbabwe - 0 (they are yet to play a game)

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So according to that; with qualifiers

India - 3 teams (2 auto qualifier, 1 via qualifying tournament)
Australia - 3 teams (2 auto qualifier, 1 via qualifying tournament)
South Africa - 2 teams (2 auto qualifiers)
West Indies - 2 teams (2 auto qualifiers)
England - 2 team (1 auto qualifier, 1 via qualifying tournament)
Sri Lanka - 2 team (1 auto qualifier, 1 via qualifying tournament)
Pakistan - 1 team (1 auto qualifier)
New Zealand - 1 team (1 auto qualifier)
Bangladesh - 1 team (1 via qualifying tournament)
Zimbabwe - 1 team (1 via qualifying tournament)

Qualifiers:

India - 1 team
Australia - 1 team
England - 1 team
Sri Lanka - 1 team
Bangladesh - 1 team
Zimbabwe - 1 team

2 top teams from each qualifying pool will move on to the main competition, in total we'll have 14 teams.

 

[Haarithan]

Win% is the fairest way to rank the nations, don't you think? I mean, these IPL sides were always going to top the points table, considering they've played an alarming 16 games (44 in total) more than even the second most experienced nation with respect to the number of games played in Australia (28).

 

[Epic]

Win% is the fairest way to rank the nations, don't you think? I mean, these IPL sides were always going to top the points table, considering they've played an alarming 16 games (44 in total) more than even the second most experienced nation with respect to the number of games played in Australia (28).

I see what you're saying and that's basically why I removed the 5 wins the 2 unsuccessful teams gathered up. What exactly does the win percentage come to if you remove the matches played by the Delhi Daredevils, the Deccan Chargers and the Kolkata Knight Riders? Btw that's 12 games.

 

[spooony]

He who brings the money have the most say - India

 

[Haarithan]

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[Doodlesweaver]

He who brings the money have the most say - India

Yes, they might not have enough sponsorshp money or a decent broadcast contract without the Indian audience. And to bring them in, they need more IPL teams.

It's little more than nexhibition tournament (regardless of it's backing by the ICC and the boards).

 

[Biggy]

Not sure if Champions League, or two IPL's a year.

 

[Aalay]

Unmukttttt Chandddddd. He is batting brilliantly.

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aaahhh he got outttt.

 

[Bevab]

Wow, people watch CLT20?