Commonwealth Bank Series

Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Watson
Clarke
Symonds
Hussey
Lee
Tait/Johnson/Hogg
Bracken
McGrath

You're joking about steadying the ship when required, right? From what I saw. His played two rash shots when it totally wasn't required when the match both times was still in the balance. Other then that, his scored all of his runs when we're merely finishing the innings by setting a total.
If we didn't have the class of Hussey that would've cost us the game.
 
aussie1st said:
Clarke and Symonds are more than capable of filling that 5th bowling spot so there is no point in having Watson.
Because we have two relatively competent part timers there's no point having someone better?
 
Watson should replace White, therefore you still have very solid batting as well as anothe seamer which can make way for Hogg at 8, therefore you'll still have 4 seamers and a spinner. That is how it should be done.
 
A great game but a shame New Zealand couldnt pull it off. Orams century was the best innings so far in the series. The aussie commentators are pissing me off now because when aussie hit a six its like "What a wonderful shot!, you wont see a better hit than that", then when Oram hits a six its like "Great Shot!". Its like Australia are the only team on the field.
 
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brad352 said:
Because we have two relatively competent part timers there's no point having someone better?

We won the WC with Symonds as the 5th bowler that not good enough? I've always preferred Watson over Hayden he can do just as good a job and add that extra bowler you so desperately want.
 
Hayden's batting is a class above Watson's and Watson's is a class above White's.
Why get rid of one of our most celebrated batsman we've produced for someone whose in there just to finish off the innings when the guy whose coming in can just slip in at number 4 where his supposedly been batting in domestic cricket?
White seems to be the least preferred spin bowler out of Clarke, Symonds & himself and out of Clarke and Symonds, one averages in the mid 40s and one averages a touch or two under 40.
There isn't any pressure dropping White because Hussey will fit right into his spot and will do a better job anyway.
Watson will probably also perform better with bat & bowl if we drop the weight off him opening the batting weather he agrees with it or not. He'll still be batting high up in the order anyway and when he comes to the crease he'd be batting with the experience of Gilly, Punter & Haydos who seem to be the authority as far as deciding what goes on the field during the course of the game.
I read an article awhile back saying that the selectors from the get go of this series always wanted Hayden opening the batting but yet they also wanted Watson playing in the top order if it has any relevance to what I'm saying.
Take a look at Watson since his been shifted up the order.

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Out of the 3 half-centuries his made, one of them was in the 1st innings, the 2nd one was in the 2nd innings but if my memory serves me right didn't he cramp up during that innings and needed a runner? That's after he had bowled a full 9 bowlers. And his last one was after Australia had cheaply bowled out the Windies and he got to have a break shortly after anyway.

My point is, not is Hayden much more effective but I think having Watson opening the batting gives to much strain on him. Considering his been injury-prone throughout his career thus far.

Can't complain about Hayden though, everyone gets their drop chances and if things had've gone his way through the Natwest series in mid 2005 then he may of never been axed from the ODI side in the first place. His highest score in that series was 66 not out & he fell victom to a mighty Collingwood catch once he had reached 30 odd.
But anyways this is Hayden since his been back in the OD side.

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But as far as White is concerned he may of helped Australia A but instead when he was batting infront of a sizeable crowd he decided to be the hero and hit out which resulted badly on not only his part but our chances of winning that particular match.
There may be some place for White after the WC cup but now that Hayden seems to be back in form White seems the obvious choice to go as we already have a more effective finisher and two part-timers who are preferred over White. There really isn't any logical reason as to why he was in the ODI side in the 1st place when you think of it and consider how his been used. But as I've said you'd be better off chosing a batsman higher up the order when you've got Mike Hussey.
 
Not everyone will be a world beater in their first few games but it's not like White has done much wrong. First game he did exactly what he was in the side to do, same with our last game. He choked with the chases yes I agree but had some of the top order batsmen not got out to stupid shots he should not have been needed.

As for having enough finishers, take a look at the Champions trophy semi against NZ.
5-188 (40.1 overs) with the loss of Hussey, 6-211 (45.4 overs) with the loss of Symonds. Final total 240. Not even 60 runs scored in that 10 over period. Now that has occured numerous times over the past few years.

A 280 compared to a 240 can be the difference between winning the WC and losing it.
Would White have made a difference who knows, what we do know is the 2 games we have batted first we have done the following:
- 5-196 (40.2 ov) Hussey out, final total 289. In that 10 over period we scored 94 runs, White contributing.
- 2/242 after 40 overs, final total 343, over 100 in the last 10, again with the help of White.

See a pattern emerging? Having White + Symonds/Hussey = lots of runs in last 10 overs.
 
We've got to get to that position first and Hayden is the best man to assist Gilchrist set the perfect foundation. Gilchrist says he'd rather have Hayden open with him over Watson or Katich aswell.
Cameron White goes out for a golden duck. What do we do? White's basically useless and we're playing him as a specialist finisher when it's not even certain he'll get a bat. All I'm saying is that'd be more worth to the team to have Hayden open & have finishers down at the bottom to finish off anyway.
 
I have no problem with Hadyen in there, as long as we have that big hitter at 7 we have the side to finish. We don't live in what ifs, what if Gilly gets a duck, Hayden a duck, Lee goes for 100? Of course while we're at it, what if White wasn't there to make his 20 off 12 balls? NZ would have chased our 300-330 odd total. Now if that was the WC final well NZ are World Champions and we are losing finalist.
 
Well that's the thing, you're saying "What if we don't have a big hitter at number 7 go get 20 off 12 balls" when if you look at my lineup that's where I've aligned Hussey. Everything you're saying about "what if White wasn't there" is completely irrelevant because the situation you're setting where White would be is where Hussey would be if there was no Cam White in the side. By all means Hussey can score quick & hit big, if not bigger then Cameron White and if presented in the situation and if it by so happens that we're 6 wickets down for 130 in the 33rd over then Hussey is already Internationally experienced in that sort of situation to rescue the innings while we cannot guarantee White is going to be given that sort of situation to prove himself at International level before the WC.
I also see Watson more like the next Martyn type number 4 rather then the next Mark Waugh or Matt Hayden type opening batsman.
 
Yea Hussey can hit it big we saw that last game, but having the 2 big hitters has not always paid off. If you are so worried about the collapse put Hussey 7 and White 6 but you shouldn't even be worrying about the collapse because that means there is something wrong with the top and middle order batsmen. Watson is not even experienced at batting 4 he doesn't even bat it for his state side so we're making a make shift 4, a new 5, a new 6 and a new 7. Really good prepartations for our defence for the WC!
 
I'm sure I once saw you post about Watson batting at 4 and that you always saw him as a number 4 batsman. What difference does it make? Watson doesn't open for QLD either.
In ODI's I'm not really sure 6-7 really matter if they've got the potential like Symonds & Hussey do to play any sort of a role required in a OD International.
I wouldn't see much difference in batting Watson at 4, seeing as he batted at 3 his last FC class and that I've heard somewhere that he bats 4 in OD matches for QLD.
I didn't even bring up collaspes either, it was you who brung up the issue about 'if' our topline players were to fail as you were using it as an example as why we should select White.
Only thing that I'm worried about is that White really isn't needed for our WC campaign and that he might get selected in our WC squad over a glorified opening batsman who'd then be replaced by a makeshift opener who'll get burnt out and injured again!
 
You're probably all sick of hearing about Chris Harris, but he got another 45* today in a twenty/20. It's a shame he may never get recalled. Whens our next Twenty/20, hmmm. Might get into the Twenty/20 World Cup Squad.

They televised a game today, and I'm kicking myself for missing it. 400 runs scored. Closeish one. Styris featured so he isn't in Aussie yet. 25 off 8 balls with 4 sixes. Hmmmmm.
 
I would play Watson over White because of his better all-round skills. If Australia make the World Cup Final my team would be:

A.Gilchrist
M.Hayden
R.Ponting
M.Clarke
A.Symonds
M.Hussey
S.Watson
B.Hogg
B.Lee
N.Bracken
G.McGrath

I went to the 20/20 today. It was good game with alot of sixes!
 

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