Dec 26-30: 4th Test - Australia v England at Melbourne

Thus the MCG pitch is playing like it normally does every boxing day - which is a flat.

So shouldn't they have come into this test with a spinning option then? - A proper spinning option that is. Unless of course they were hoping it would stay overcast for the whole duration of the test match.

Personally I honestly can't see the logic in picking four quicks when you have Shane Watson in your team, he's basically rendered useless as an all-rounder. Which is quite a shame because he's a more then decent bowler, especially when conditions favour him.
 
Let's just stop playing stupid the Australian selectors. Get these players who have "big names" out of the side. Clearly their not performing. IN: Brad Hodge (3) OUT: Ricky Ponting.... IN: Cameron White (4) OUT: Michael Clarke.... IN: Phil Jaques (Opener) OUT: Phil Hughes....

Maybe our top order might just fire with Watson and Jaques open the batting. Hodge at number 3, Cameron White at 4 and Michael Hussey at 5.
 
Ease the sarcasm now. Regardless if you dont think Smith is 100% the finished article (i still share some of those reservations, since i personally wanted D Hussey picked instead of him before the Perth tests). Fact is he has put in those performance in the strongest domestic competition in the world, so the AUS selectors are in within their rights to back him to translate that domestic performance onto the test level.

The problem is those "performances" have come over the space of about 18 months and 15 odd games. He has a decent first class batting record but most of those runs came late last season, for all we know it was just a period of some rather good form and not the real Steve Smith.
 
So shouldn't they have come into this test with a spinning option then? - A proper spinning option that is. Unless of course they were hoping it would stay overcast for the whole duration of the test match.

Personally I honestly can't see the logic in picking four quicks when you have Shane Watson in your team, he's basically rendered useless as an all-rounder. Which is quite a shame because he's a more then decent bowler, especially when conditions favour him.


Well on Watson. As i mentioned before on this site. His role as the 4th seamer based on evidence this year needs to be looked at.

I'm not sure if AUS can depend on him like how South Africa depends on Kallis to be consistent 4th seamer who will always give us 20+ over a day if needed. We saw him break down in NZ, IND & when ENG piled on the runs in Brisbane & Adelaide he didn't bowl his fare share of overs. Thats very alarming & its a problem with Watto bowling that people dont acknowledge.

Some days one of the 3-main quicks will have an off-day & wont bowl as well as Hilfy/Harris/Johnson did @ Perth last week. This is where you need the 4th one to pick up the slack & if on one of those off days Watto is having one of those stiff days with the ball, AUS will be even more trouble. Which is why the security of a 4th main quick is needed & can be used constantly if S Smith is in.

Thats why i say Watto role with the ball in tests needs to be looked @ as a "luxury" option seamer. Just like what S & M Waugh was for Mark Taylor during the mid 90s. Not one of 4-main bowlers, if he is going to keep breaking down like that.


AUS dont have a proper "spin option" as you may term it. If it is as i presume you dont believe Smith is test standard with the ball.


Plus what makes you so confident that if the pitch wears/turns @ MCG & SCG like it did at adelaide that any one of Hauritz, O'Keefe, Beer, Holland will be good enough to exploit the conditions?.

I dont. Thus with the constact failing on spinners picked over the last two years to bowl well on flat pitches & wearing 4th/5th day pitches. The 4-man attack should be given a chance in MCG to see if they can win AUS a test match in those conditions, before any talk of a spinner is mentioned again for this Ashes & in the future.

Since contrary to common opinion its very possible for an all-pace attack win you tests on flat wicket. But given AUS have been skittled for 98, even if such an attack can restrict ENG, AUS may still lose this test.

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The problem is those "performances" have come over the space of about 18 months and 15 odd games. He has a decent first class batting record but most of those runs came late last season, for all we know it was just a period of some rather good form and not the real Steve Smith.

Could be, which is why as i mentioned i wasn't totally convinced that he is ready for test after is saw him in international cricket this year & why i would have picked D Hussey for the Perth test.

But obviosly the selectors are looking @ it from the opposite side of the coin & as i said are backing that early talent shown in the strongest FC competition in the world, which i can understand although im not 100% convinced by it.
 
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We basically need a miracle to retain the ashes. This is the time for somebody to make themselves a legend in history, but unfortunately I don't think it's gonna happen.
 
Smith's position needs to be looked at. I'm a fan of smith but there is a question. If they want an allrounder that bowl and bat then it is truly watson's place. Not smith and absolutely never should of been north. Find another Opener for Australia instead of Watson.

What i understand is "All-Rounder" is now a batsman who bowls a little. North did this and Smith was brought in for this as well. Yes, Smith can bat a little and bowl a bit, but Smith is not a genuine batsman that can bowl a little. Khawaja or White would be a better choice, Khawajca more beacuse younger. Smith needs to be the bowler or who can bat unfortunately he is not a full bowler. O'Keefe could be.

So i say the team SHOULD BE for the next years

Marsh
Maddinson
Watson
Khawaja
Hussey
Smith
Haddin/Paine
O'Keefe
Copeland
Johnson
Harris
Starc or Hazlewood
 
My only problem with this team is that Ponting and Clarke aren't scoring runs in such a big series.There in is the source of our trouble.I'm Hughes biggest fun but he really needs to step up.I've got a lot of time for Steve Smith,I think his leggies are really coming along nicely.He'll come good with the bat,it would be a lot easier if the bigger boys were laying the platform for an exciting player like Smith to play his natural game.What I would say is if Smith was in their thoughts for such a big ashes series batting at 6, why wasn't he given a go before the ashes at number 6?We cant keep chopping and changing now,selectors just need to back this team.

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Smith's position needs to be looked at. I'm a fan of smith but there is a question. If they want an allrounder that bowl and bat then it is truly watson's place. Not smith and absolutely never should of been north. Find another Opener for Australia instead of Watson.

What i understand is "All-Rounder" is now a batsman who bowls a little. North did this and Smith was brought in for this as well. Yes, Smith can bat a little and bowl a bit, but Smith is not a genuine batsman that can bowl a little. Khawaja or White would be a better choice, Khawajca more beacuse younger. Smith needs to be the bowler or who can bat unfortunately he is not a full bowler. O'Keefe could be.

So i say the team SHOULD BE for the next years

Marsh
Maddinson
Watson
Khawaja
Hussey
Smith
Haddin/Paine
O'Keefe
Copeland
Johnson
Harris
Starc or Hazlewood

You do make a good point about Watson but surely you cant move Watson down the order now, maybe when Katich comes back.Yet still we can't afford to lose Watson the batter now , he and Hussey are the only bright spots we have in our top 6 base on performance.Watson's body is still fragile,he'll be better off concentrating on his batting now.We can just use him as a partnership breaker.Seriously though you do ,and a lot of people on here, underestimate Smith's batting.His bowling is now coming along as well.
 
Every Australian batsman was out caught, is that some kind of record?
 
Every Australian batsman was out caught, is that some kind of record?

Mmm I think it has happened a number of times before but it is still very special especially in this kind of situation. Collingwood must be very happy at the moment. He is being relieved of a lot of pressure by the way things stand at the moment. I hope he gets a good knock because I like the guy and he still warrants his place in the team.
 
Yes, i agree with lethalhughes

Before people will start bashing smith can i point out he was nearly the best bowler for australia. He nearly got strauss twice
 
Nice to see the Aussies ripping into their team at the moment. Reminds me of good times past when England were chopping and changing their team at every twist and turn.

How the quality has swung from one team to the other in this series is unbelievable. I dare say there are still some twists and turns to come yet but 2006/7 is a distant memory now!!
 
Only thing I can say after watching the scorecard is (I couldn't watch it live) - Australia wasted!
 
Mmm I think it has happened a number of times before but it is still very special especially in this kind of situation. Collingwood must be very happy at the moment. He is being relieved of a lot of pressure by the way things stand at the moment. I hope he gets a good knock because I like the guy and he still warrants his place in the team.

I agree leave colly there, all the team want him to do well, you can see the team spirit is top notch so changing a senior member could derail that, and apart from perth we havent really needed runs from him.
His fielding alone gets him my vote.
 
Woah! Just got back home and I am amazed to see the scores. Pretty much dumps Australia's hopes of winning the Ashes.
 
Smith's position needs to be looked at. I'm a fan of smith but there is a question. If they want an allrounder that bowl and bat then it is truly watson's place. Not smith and absolutely never should of been north. Find another Opener for Australia instead of Watson.

What i understand is "All-Rounder" is now a batsman who bowls a little. North did this and Smith was brought in for this as well. Yes, Smith can bat a little and bowl a bit, but Smith is not a genuine batsman that can bowl a little. Khawaja or White would be a better choice, Khawajca more beacuse younger. Smith needs to be the bowler or who can bat unfortunately he is not a full bowler. O'Keefe could be.

So i say the team SHOULD BE for the next years

Marsh
Maddinson
Watson
Khawaja
Hussey
Smith
Haddin/Paine
O'Keefe
Copeland
Johnson
Harris
Starc or Hazlewood

Nice idea about for the team. But im not sure about Marsh as a test opener to be fair. Watson ATS has to be the MAIN long term opener, so you can let Khawaja bat @ # 3 & have Clarke back in the middle order.

If you are thinking long term as well. Hussey & Katich positions probably will have to be looked@, since with both being 35. I doubt they have any more than a year left in them. So a place for Ferguson opens up.

But i still see a place in the next couple years for Ponting. Still think AUS need him in the middle-order.

Copeland definately has a place in the near future. But certainly Bollinger has to be in their somewhere.
 

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