Dhoni - 'It's important to send the message across'

[SaiSrini]

What is everybodies problem with Dhoni trying to save you an absolutely horrific, crippling problem that may occur in the next 18 months where you might lose 4/5 players in under a year. Jesus christ, he's doing Indian cricket a favour. The fact that you lot are all too ignorantly obsessive about current stars and seem to not care about future stars is pathetic. It shows the nature of Indian fans and why very few other nationalities want to touch it with a barge pole in terms of coaching roles.

Whenever Dada is concerned, this happens with Indian cricket. I am waiting for that bl**dy damn day when SAURAV CHANDIDAS GANGULY quits cricket and saves us from all these nonsense that goes on. Most of the controversies regarding team selection and a player dropped out, its about GANGULY! He is done with, and it clearly looks like he wants to feed his ego by making a comeback to the team and playing until whenever he wants to quit. I used to be a die hard fan of him, but now I clearly feel his days as an ODI batsman is over.

The players like Subramaniam Badrinath, Manoj Tiwary and Dinesh Karthik are never going to become really well-known cricketers because Our three seniors playing from so long time???Jesus...Team consist of 11 players,You still have left 8 players to rotate..
The points is here is that you replacing the players who have performed best in ODIs last year just because of their Fielding!!But reality is you are not replacing Ganguly with Jhonty Rhods...Have you seen Gambhir run out???He was not able to run with 36 years Sachin tendulkar????

Running and fielding are not the same. A batsman decides on how many runs to take based on how quick the fielder is. If its Ganguly, he decides to take a few extra runs becoz of Ganguly's speed in getting onto the ball and picking it up to throw back to either stumps. Gambhir is quicker and presents a much greater risk to the batsman on a run out taking place. Thats the difference. That run out of Gambhir with Sachin was one small piece of a lack of communication. That doesnt mean Gambhir is a bad fielder.

What's wrong with Robin Uthappa as the opener? He made two good partnerships with Tendulkar and he hasn't even been given a solid run as opener yet.

On the Munaf argument, I don't want him in the ODI side either, so yeah.

Quite true. I would say give Uthappa more chances at the top. He is wasted at No.6 because most of the time he doesnt get to bat or he comes into the bat when there is nothing left to do or when there is too much left to do and he doesnt handle that too well. He is also correcting his flaws (too much shuffle across the stumps) and he showed it in that 2nd final (though I felt that innings was too slow for his liking). He should take up opening full time when Sachin retires.

Oh Mother merry,

Tendulkar recommended Dhoni for captaincy - Pawar

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/343380.html


Seniors have brought themselves a trouble...

Yeah... Winning the Twenty20 World Cup and beating Australia in an ODI series in Australia is akin to trouble right?:

 

[vaibhav mehta]

But Gambhir was Slow at a run that time..He would had easily made that...
Well I am not Favoring Ganguly Sai or Criticizing Dhoni here but my point is You need to get rid of your senior players in Proper way..Now I don't know in what way should it be??But Not at least by way which management have used..
They have served our country well and I know they can't play long now but still you can't ignore there participation to indian cricket.Specially Dravid..
Anyway I don't mind until Dhoni is winning for our Country..But one thing is sure there will be tough time in Future and may be this type of comments(Which he has passed now) will hurt him back..

Yeah... Winning the Twenty20 World Cup and beating Australia in an ODI series in Australia is akin to trouble right?:

The way Ganguly and Dravid were dropped,and The way Sachin gonna end up are the troubles which can easily avoided If Dravid would had not leave Captaincy..

 

[SaiSrini]

He has not criticised Ganguly or Dravid. He has criticised the people who were behind the selection of Ganguly and Dravid for the ODI's. Being part of the test team and being the vice captain, he wont criticise Ganguly and Dravid just like that. He said he was proved right (the team that he got did well shutting up all criticism). I think he worded his statements pretty well, and I dont see what you guys perceive wrong in these statements of his.

But Gambhir was Slow at a run that time..He would had easily made that...

Gambhir was slow becoz of miscommunication. They are not different. He thought Sachin would not take on that fielder and would not risk that run. But Sachin knew that there was a run in the taking and ran, and Gambhir got late becoz he was shocked at Sachin's decision.

 

[jkartik]

We again are flying a bit too much due to the CB Series win....
but thats JUST ONE series....! oh and dont give me that bullshit
"they beat australia in australia"......! yes, we won fair and square
no doubt...congratulations to team india ! but we all know
it was due to sachin & our bowlers that we won the finals.
plus, the team is yet to show their consistency...so no point
in going gaga over them !

also, dhoni's beloved,overhyped and overrated yuvraj had too much
sex with deepika and now hes too lazy to even move around...!
inspite of being a big failure in the WHOLE series...he is still
persisted ! why cant you give raina and the lot the chance to prove
themselves ??

 

[vaibhav mehta]

also, dhoni's beloved,overhyped and overrated yuvraj had too much
sex with deepika and now hes too lazy to even move around...!

:rtfl

Are you talking serious??:laugh

 

[shravi]

Animator is right. In a years time quite a few players may be retiring. When that day comes you cannot just draft players in. Youngsters need to be given a long run to be able to accept responsibility, mature as players and develop and fine tune their game to get it to the level required at the top level. If you just give tell them to step into Dravid/Ganguly's shoes one day, the weight of expectations will be too high and they will just crumble under the immense pressure we will tie to their backs; it will leave the team in a rather precarious and vulnerable state. It's only a matter of time before you realize that legacies and individuals come second to team's success. You can only dwell in the past for so long.

Dhoni is not disrespecting the seniors and nor is he praising himself. He is merely backing his decisions and putting the team ahead of individuals.

 

[sohum]

The players like Subramaniam Badrinath, Manoj Tiwary and Dinesh Karthik are never going to become really well-known cricketers because Our three seniors playing from so long time???Jesus...Team consist of 11 players,You still have left 8 players to rotate..

Oh really? Are we not playing any bowlers then? Tiwary and Badri are both middle order players. Karthik is a lower order player.

The points is here is that you replacing the players who have performed best in ODIs last year just because of their Fielding!!But reality is you are not replacing Ganguly with Jhonty Rhods...Have you seen Gambhir run out???He was not able to run with 36 years Sachin tendulkar????

No, the point is that these players are not going to be playing till 40 just because they do in ICC3. And to be frank, I'm ready to see some new players.

Now take the Reality,Real thing is Dhoni never get the Fame which he wants until our seniors are there..Like Example Team have done very well in CB series but Final touch was given by Sachin there..
And Dhoni himself know that without Tendulkar He would have never lifted CB series cup...
How can you compare D Kartik with Sachin????:

Why do you have to make this Dhoni vs. Seniors? Do you have some indelible mancrush on Dada and Dravid? As I have mentioned before, Gambhir wouldn't have been playing in CB series if Ganguly was there and he was one of our top scorers in the tournament.

What is everybodies problem with Dhoni trying to save you an absolutely horrific, crippling problem that may occur in the next 18 months where you might lose 4/5 players in under a year. Jesus christ, he's doing Indian cricket a favour. The fact that you lot are all too ignorantly obsessive about current stars and seem to not care about future stars is pathetic. It shows the nature of Indian fans and why very few other nationalities want to touch it with a barge pole in terms of coaching roles.

Way to make generalizations.

Oh Mother merry,

Tendulkar recommended Dhoni for captaincy - Pawar

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/343380.html


Seniors have brought themselves a trouble...

Guess he was thinking about the future of the Indian cricket team unlike some around here. :

But Gambhir was Slow at a run that time..He would had easily made that...

It was pretty obvious that if he had responded to the call early enough he would have made it with ease. Because he didn't respond to the call doesn't mean he was "slow at running".

Well I am not Favoring Ganguly Sai or Criticizing Dhoni here but my point is You need to get rid of your senior players in Proper way..Now I don't know in what way should it be??But Not at least by way which management have used..

What have they done? Ganguly, Laxman and Dravid are still in the Test team. It's not like they have just been ushered out of Team India. They are playing the highest level of the game. They should be proud of the fact that they are still the best Test cricketers in the country. Let the kids play ODI's and Twenty20.

The way Ganguly and Dravid were dropped,and The way Sachin gonna end up are the troubles which can easily avoided If Dravid would had not leave Captaincy..

Dravid obviously did what was best for the team. Besides, Dravid is looking increasingly unfit for international cricket. I really hope he catches some form soon.

We again are flying a bit too much due to the CB Series win....
but thats JUST ONE series....! oh and dont give me that bullshit
"they beat australia in australia"......! yes, we won fair and square
no doubt...congratulations to team india ! but we all know
it was due to sachin & our bowlers that we won the finals.
plus, the team is yet to show their consistency...so no point
in going gaga over them !

I was not aware that we played with one batsman and a bowler in the finals. I guess I should have watched them.

also, dhoni's beloved,overhyped and overrated yuvraj had too much
sex with deepika and now hes too lazy to even move around...!
inspite of being a big failure in the WHOLE series...he is still
persisted ! why cant you give raina and the lot the chance to prove
themselves ??

As captain Dhoni probably believes Yuvi has more to offer than Raina, just because he's been tried and tested at international level. I sincerely hope his friendship with Yuvi doesn't keep the latter in the team because that would be pretty poor.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

Oh really? Are we not playing any bowlers then? Tiwary and Badri are both middle order players. Karthik is a lower order player.

Ganguly is neither a middle order Batsman???
Have they tried Youngsters logically???Then whom except R Sharma??
What about Tiwary and Raina??

 

[sohum]

Ganguly is neither a middle order Batsman???
Have they tried Youngsters logically???Then whom except R Sharma??
What about Tiwary and Raina??

Ganguly has been up and down a lot. Dravid is a middle order batsman. Tendulkar has swapped between opening and middle order. They've tried Uthappa and Gambhir up top. They've tried Rohit in the middle. I don't know what they've done wrong or illogically...

 

[vaibhav mehta]

No, the point is that these players are not going to be playing till 40 just because they do in ICC3. And to be frank, I'm ready to see some new players.

They are not on 40 Now...They have not reached even 36..

Why do you have to make this Dhoni vs. Seniors? Do you have some indelible mancrush on Dada and Dravid? As I have mentioned before, Gambhir wouldn't have been playing in CB series if Ganguly was there and he was one of our top scorers in the tournament.

Well I never expected this type of Question from you??
I am not making Seniors Vs Dhoni..I don't have anything personal with anyone..And as far as team vicitory is concerned I'll also be happy as much of you..
get over it..Discussion going on wrong way..may be my Fault..
But Sachin>>>Cricket..

 

[SciD]

Indian players should retire at 35 except Tendulkar. Indians are not fit enough to play long. Kumble is playing only because there is noone worth salt in India to overtake him. Also somehow he has strated to pick up wickets abroad.

And plz get those lazy Ganguly and Laxman out of all sides. What on earth will happen to their respective IPL franchises. God help them.

 

[manee]

What is everybodies problem with Dhoni trying to save you an absolutely horrific, crippling problem that may occur in the next 18 months where you might lose 4/5 players in under a year. Jesus christ, he's doing Indian cricket a favour. The fact that you lot are all too ignorantly obsessive about current stars and seem to not care about future stars is pathetic. It shows the nature of Indian fans and why very few other nationalities want to touch it with a barge pole in terms of coaching roles.

It is a valid point, but in the case of any country, dropping players who are still very good batsman will not go down well.

 

[sohum]

They are not on 40 Now...They have not reached even 36..

Well by the time they reach 40, if they're still playing from India, there will be a whole generation of cricketers that we never got to see. I really don't see how you can't see that!

But Sachin>>>Cricket..

Absolutely not. There's the problem.

It is a valid point, but in the case of any country, dropping players who are still very good batsman will not go down well.

The only reason they are being dropped is because they don't have the courtesy to retire. Take a look at Gilly. He was still a really good batsman and a really good wicketkeeper but he bit the bullet because he saw that if he plays for 2-3 more seasons, Brad Haddin would never consistently get an Australia cap.

 

[manee]

The only reason they are being dropped is because they don't have the courtesy to retire. Take a look at Gilly. He was still a really good batsman and a really good wicketkeeper but he bit the bullet because he saw that if he plays for 2-3 more seasons, Brad Haddin would never consistently get an Australia cap.

Absolutely, merely justifying the reason for the uproar by the semi knowledgable fans (not referring to anyone on planetcricket, btw).

 

[vaibhav mehta]

Hope We all stays here..It won't take long to clear the Future Picture..
I wish Dhoni also go with young legs in test also..

We better do poll for Sachin>>>>Cricket???
I think People from other countries will vote sachin more than his country mans..

Its individual..I can accept for one minute that Dhoni has hit Lee Cover drive but I never can accept that Sachin is not >>>Cricket..