England arrogant for not making Champions League deal with India - Michael Vaughan

[StinkyBoHoon]

I disagree with you on this. The stadiums aren't as full as they are in India, the fans are fanatic as they are in India and ECB doesn't have the kind of money+fans combo as India. ECB is not a threat to BCCI.

for now. but england is a sports mad country, nothing like india when it comes to cricket, but overall very sporty.

and if twenty20 is the next big thing then whose to say it won't take hold here? england certainly has the infastructure to run a succesful league.

 

[AngryPixel]

I am trying to be as neutral as possible, According to me, it is nothing more than a ego clash. Neither ECB President nor the Modi are gonna take no for a answer. England is being stubborn coz they felt cheated, that is, they invented the T2 but Modi has made fortune with it while they couldnt get anything. On the other hand, Modi is trying to stamp his authority. He is just trying to show his/BCCI's power. ECB is now just tasting its own medicine. I remember how MCC used to rule cricket in 90's and before. Times have changed and they should back down and make a compromise with modi

 

[sohum]

for now. but england is a sports mad country, nothing like india when it comes to cricket, but overall very sporty.

and if twenty20 is the next big thing then whose to say it won't take hold here? england certainly has the infastructure to run a succesful league.

England invented Twenty20. So the whole "taking hold" thing doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also, keep in mind that the majority of the success of the IPL is based around money. Cricket in England doesn't see the kind of sponsorship money that cricket in India does, so for them to run a successful league and siphon off market share from the BCCI would require to happen up some cashmoney. Which is what they were trying with Stanford until they figured out he was a scammer.

 

[rahuldravidfan]

for now. but england is a sports mad country, nothing like india when it comes to cricket, but overall very sporty.

and if twenty20 is the next big thing then whose to say it won't take hold here? england certainly has the infastructure to run a succesful league.

Agreed. But competition with football, the most popular sport by a mile in England, is killing cricket there. Ashes seems to be the only highly watched cricket series in England. Hope the attendances improve in England by leaps and bounds.

The reason T20s aren't holding up in England is coz they've got a bit satured in England, much like the dumb Ind-SL series every few months .

England does have the infra, but not the sponsors or the financial muscle of the BCCI. Stanford could've been their big push. Unfortunately, it wasn't to be.

I am trying to be as neutral as possible, According to me, it is nothing more than a ego clash. Neither ECB President nor the Modi are gonna take no for a answer. England is being stubborn coz they felt cheated, that is, they invented the T2 but Modi has made fortune with it while they couldnt get anything. On the other hand, Modi is trying to stamp his authority. He is just trying to show his/BCCI's power. ECB is now just tasting its own medicine. I remember how MCC used to rule cricket in 90's and before. Times have changed and they should back down and make a compromise with modi

I agree with every word of yours. ECB weren't Mother Teresa's themselves. BCCI has been really pissed with the conduct of the ECB over the years and we've even said it publicly.

ECB is just reaping what they sowed. I hate to disappoint the ECB sympathisers but they've pretty much called for all this happening to them.

They invented the format, great. But they weren't as quick on their feet as Modi to develop it into a full-fledged money making machine. Their constant jibes at the BCCI & IPL are just sour grapes coz they failed to capitalize when they had the opportunity to.

And a deal between the ECB & CLT20 is imminent. Its just a matter of time. If they don't comprise with the CLT20, hello PCB

 

[Sureshot]

Its got nowt to do with sour grapes, its got everything to do with the fact all domestic boards should be working together to find what is best for cricket the world over. Setting up a competition that forces one board (which not so long ago ran world cricket) to have some of it's domestic teams not available for the showdown month of the season is a massive insult.

As someone who works for a English county, I can completely assure you that T20s are holding up in England. I can't give out the financial information to back it up obviously, but I can state the fact that the only time I don't see full crowds is on Monday nights.

 

[ballers101]

Whatever anyone say, the fact remains that the ECB has the decision to make and they feel disgraced how they made T20 and Modi is basically making all the $$$. Modi like I said before he is a very selfish person he is doing it only for the money and that is it where as the ECB actually cares about cricket itself.

 

[AngryPixel]

^ WTF... remember sanford T20 million dollar match?? case closed.....

lol at " ECB cares bout cricket":rtfl

 

[War]

^ WTF... remember sanford T20 million dollar match?? case closed.....

lol at " ECB cares bout cricket":rtfl

How does that stanford T20 million dollar match prove the the ECB dont care about cricket??

 

[pcfan123]

I think the point ballers was trying to make is that the counties and ECB's primary focus is to blood cricketers to play at a higher level.

On the other hand, IPL and CL simply takes players who have already been established and just makes a quick buck off them.

 

[drainpipe32]

Good on the Poms for having the balls to refuse the offer.

 

[Owzat]

Good thing that Vaughan doesn't run English cricket.

Shame anyone asks Vaughan his opinion, to me he just exposes himself as a complete prat when he expresses an opinion and I wish TMS had left well alone.

So he's basically a whore who would jump in bed with India for the ???. I'm not jealous of IPL, it is something to keep the cricket nutty happy while pretending to be cricket and the rest of us play proper cricket. The fad will wear thin, if it doesn't then there's something seriously wrong with the world let alone cricket. Is five-a-side more popular than XI vs XI football?!? Do the yanks play 'overtime' instead of 4 quarters of yankball?!? Do golfers play nine holes in round of golf of just 36 instead of 72 in a tournament? Do tennis players play one set instead of best of five? No.

If proof were needed Vaughan is a prat, he reckons England need to play five bowlers in the Ashes down under despite our poor record for collapsing - especially........................................................ down under last time, even with FLINTOFF and at times Giles in the side. He then follows that up by saying the batsmen need to show more consistency! BBC Sport - Cricket - Michael Vaughan highlights England's fragile batting

He just rants about everything and anything, including Hoggard "shouldn't have left Headingley", Broad should "stop whinging", he's come out and said the saffers were right to accuse England of tampering (STFU Yawn, we don't want or need your twopenneth worth) and the one that annoys me is the one about the Ashes and the lost cash : BBC Sport - Cricket - Loss of Sky cash concerns Vaughan - IT IS ONLY ONE SERIES EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU PRAT, it isn't like all cricket will be back on UK TV and s*y will pull the plug. That said he probably is eyeing up a move to s*y or is already in bed with them too

Michael Yawn, public prat and IPL/s*y whore

 

[War]

Quality rant Owzat. Vaughan has become so annoying since he retired with his comments. Which is all fairly surprising given as England captain, he always came across as very erudite.

 

[pcfan123]

Its just sour grapes, he had plans of getting some form at Yorkshire and possibly playing in the 09 Ashes. However he was awful in his brief run in FC after losing the captaincy. No chance of him getting in the Ashes squad low and behold, they won without Michael

 

[rahuldravidfan]

Whatever anyone say, the fact remains that the ECB has the decision to make and they feel disgraced how they made T20 and Modi is basically making all the $$$. Modi like I said before he is a very selfish person he is doing it only for the money and that is it where as the ECB actually cares about cricket itself.

You are confusing this with the IPL's snub to PCB, which will be a non-issue a few months later, if ECB & CLT20 can't work out a compromise deal and PCB is welcomed into the CLT20. I would love to watch the Pakistani domestic teams in the CLT20, esp. Shoaib Mallik's team. I've heard they are terrific.

Its got nowt to do with sour grapes, its got everything to do with the fact all domestic boards should be working together to find what is best for cricket the world over. Setting up a competition that forces one board (which not so long ago ran world cricket) to have some of it's domestic teams not available for the showdown month of the season is a massive insult.

As someone who works for a English county, I can completely assure you that T20s are holding up in England. I can't give out the financial information to back it up obviously, but I can state the fact that the only time I don't see full crowds is on Monday nights.

I agree with your sentiment here, but we need to understand that 6 out of 7 and 10 out of 12 teams have no problems with the scheduling and the tournament can't be conducted when the ECB gets free, coz majority of the teams won't be free then.

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I'm really getting sick of the constant bickering from the ECB, whose only job seems to pull down everything India does at every given opportunity.
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If the figures of attendance in the English T20 circle are as good as you are saying they are, its good for the format. A bit of competition always helps.

But its gonna take a LOT for the ECB to try and match, leave alone exceed atm, the money+fan power of the BCCI.

Having said that, ECB will need to agree to a compro deal coz if P20 does come out next season, Indian players will be a big draw and the massive South Asian community out there will earn a formidable chunk of the revenue for them, if the likes of Sachin, Viru, MS, Yuvi, etc are playing there.

So playing hardball is not going to help, imo.

How does that stanford T20 million dollar match prove the the ECB dont care about cricket??

Coz they did the same thing they accused suggested we did - try to kill cricket with the power of money & T20s. It was a bit hypocritical of them to go shake hands with Stanford to, as people feel, "help the players a bit" after criticizing being alarmed at the amount of money people like David Hussey and Mashrafe Mortaza were making by playing just 6 weeks of a T20 league.

Lets not kid ourselves. The Stanford tie was an epic fail attempt of the ECB to try and check BCCI's growing financial clout and the fall of Stanford pretty much pwned them royally. Since then, ECB has been on a BCCI witch-hunt, which they shouldn't be in this case atleast, coz BCCI, CA & CSA together decided the schedules and ECB chief executive, David Collier, was kept in the loop about the dates since December 2009.

Which brings us back to this post - Some basics and a bit of know-how for ECB fans

 

[Sureshot]

Well it got arranged last year quite easily. If you're having an international wide domestic competition, it has to be arranged so that all sides available for competition can actually compete. The pre-tense for this was that they were, if this years IPL goes ahead in it's current schedule, those counties that have lost out and the ECB would have a strong legal case to pursue.