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[langerrox]

to take you're post seriously when it's so unaccurate like that? His no Hayden or even Langer but the guy is an absolute run machine.

He is a run machine in domestic cricket but he doesn't perform in International cricket and doesn't deserve his spot, Let alone in the Test match arena, OR even the Ashes series.

I'm not being a fool at all, it was just a quick thought. Martyn would surely cope better down the order then what Jaques would.

Cope better down the order? What do you mean? Martyn is just as capable as anyone to bat number 4.

Also, I don't see how dropping Hussey down a slot or even putting him up one would effect the way he plays in the middle order, he bats brilliantly anywhere he bats. :

Do you know what batting positons mean? Playing well at 7 and playing well at 6 are big differences in runs, He is a star and wherever he bats he is amazing but he needs more of a chance to score runs and at 7 or 6 he isn't going to do that is he? :

 

[brad352]

Graeme Hick averages more than Collingwood in FC cricket; Quick, let's recall him. :

Has Watson been tested and failed at Test level? If you're not going to go on domestic runs to stake a claim how do you pick a team? Besides, Pura Cup runs actually mean something

He is a run machine in domestic cricket but he doesn't perform in International cricket and doesn't deserve his spot, Let alone in the Test match arena, OR even the Ashes series.

You're basing that on about 5 innings?

 

[langerrox]

You're basing that on about 5 innings?

Well that's all I can base it on, Sure enough its not exactly very fair. But why the hell would you drop a perfectly fine and capable batsman for him when he only managed a 66 agaisnt bangladesh...

 

[brad352]

Well that's all I can base it on, Sure enough its not exactly very fair. But why the hell would you drop a perfectly fine and capable batsman for him when he only managed a 66 agaisnt bangladesh...

I wasn't suggesting we randomly go around dropping people for him, but he certainly hasn't had enough opportunities to draw conclusions about his capabilities at international level and weight of domestic runs means there's no reason for him not to be a leading candidate for any potential batting spots.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Well that's all I can base it on, Sure enough its not exactly very fair. But why the hell would you drop a perfectly fine and capable batsman for him when he only managed a 66 agaisnt bangladesh...

He only played 1 innings against Bangladesh! Hayden made 6, 70 odd and 29 against Bangladesh... are you going to criticise him over that? How much did Martyn make against Bangladesh?

 

[langerrox]

I wasn't suggesting we randomly go around dropping people for him, but he certainly hasn't had enough opportunities to draw conclusions about his capabilities at international level and weight of domestic runs means there's no reason for him not to be a leading candidate for any potential batting spots.

Sure he is the next candidate for Australia but there is none at the moment and not much point to drop anyone for him.

He only played 1 innings against Bangladesh! Hayden made 6, 70 odd and 29 against Bangladesh... are you going to criticise him over that? How much did Martyn make against Bangladesh?

How did Hayden get into the conversation? He isn't even remotely related to this discussion, Martyn made a century and won us the game in the Saffas test series if you dont remember. Martyn made 7 & 4 where everbody failed, including Hayden ( for arguements sake).

 

[evertonfan]

Martyn should be in the side; As Roxy said, he played a match winner in Safrica and only a few days ago he played a match winning innings (albeit slighly gifted to him by Harmison) against England.

 

[aussie_ben91]

How did Hayden get into the conversation? He isn't even remotely related to this discussion, Martyn made a century and won us the game in the Saffas test series if you dont remember. Martyn made 7 & 4 where everbody failed, including Hayden ( for arguements sake).

Winning a totally different game is completely irrevalent. You were saying Jaques shouldn't be in the side because he only made a half century against Bangladesh when Martyn didn't even convert into double figures that series so by you're logic you're saying that anyone who didn't make 66+ against Bangladesh shouldn't be added into the side. You know what, you're right. Martyn shouldn't be moved from number 4. It was just a suggestion as Jaques as a ususal an opening batsman would personally do better as himself batting at number 4 then he would number 6.

I won't argue with you over Hayden, his a brilliant batsman. If I could chose any batsman of the current era to be, I'd want to be him.

 

[langerrox]

Winning a totally different game is completely irrevalent. You were saying Jaques shouldn't be in the side because he only made a half century against Bangladesh when Martyn didn't even convert into double figures that series so by you're logic you're saying that anyone who didn't make 66+ against Bangladesh shouldn't be added into the side. You know what, you're right. Martyn shouldn't be moved from number 4. It was just a suggestion as Jaques as a ususal an opening batsman would personally do better as himself batting at number 4 then he would number 6.

I won't argue with you over Hayden, his a brilliant batsman. If I could chose any batsman of the current era to be, I'd want to be him.

Oh my god, I don't take any of your posts for serious reason. REMOVE THE BIAS he isn't the greatest batsman of all time, not even close : .
I SAID Jaques ONLY scored 66 in Bangladesh where he would be best to prove himself worthy of selection. Why would Jaques do better at 4? He has scored all these runs opening, Don't say "he used to play middle order" because he only has been selected for opening.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Oh my god, I don't take any of your posts for serious reason. REMOVE THE BIAS he isn't the greatest batsman of all time, not even close : .
I SAID Jaques ONLY scored 66 in Bangladesh where he would be best to prove himself worthy of selection. Why would Jaques do better at 4? He has scored all these runs opening, Don't say "he used to play middle order" because he only has been selected for opening.

LOL! You're stupidity is absolutely second to none. "I don't take any of your posts serious", that's fine mate. I don't really care because I don't hold a very high opinon of you anyway, but did you think of that one yourself?

I said of the current era which means of all the batsman I've ever seen play. Not of all time and quite frankly neither me or you are in any position to be judging the greatest batsman of all time. Did you ever see Don Bradman play? How about Gary Sobers? Highlights, clips & montages don't count.

I agreed with you but yet you persist to continue to argue? I don't even know what we're argueing about anymore. I admitted Martyn would make a better number 4 even though I never insisted that Martyn didn't play better there in the first place. All I was really saying is that the balance of the side would be better if Jaques was at number 4 and that way you could achieve more with Jaques batting as high up the order as possible without moving you're top 3 batsman, Langer, Hayden & Ponting. Martyn by no means wouldn't do badly batting at number 5 or 6 because his had experience batting around there before and Hussey has proven that he can bat with the lower order anyway.

Once again I don't know what we're argueing about. Jaques probably won't get added into the squad anyway.

 

[langerrox]

LOL! You're stupidity is absolutely second to none. "I don't take any of your posts serious", that's fine mate. I don't really care because I don't hold a very high opinon of you anyway, but did you think of that one yourself?

I said of the current era which means of all the batsman I've ever seen play. Not of all time and quite frankly neither me or you are in any position to be judging the greatest batsman of all time. Did you ever see Don Bradman play? How about Gary Sobers? Highlights, clips & montages don't count.

I agreed with you but yet you persist to continue to argue? I don't even know what we're argueing about anymore. I admitted Martyn would make a better number 4 even though I never insisted that Martyn didn't play better there in the first place. All I was really saying is that the balance of the side would be better if Jaques was at number 4 and that way you could achieve more with Jaques batting as high up the order as possible without moving you're top 3 batsman, Langer, Hayden & Ponting. Martyn by no means wouldn't do badly batting at number 5 or 6 because his had experience batting around there before and Hussey has proven that he can bat with the lower order anyway.

Once again I don't know what we're argueing about. Jaques probably won't get added into the squad anyway.

I don't care what you think about me because frankly noone else takes your post seriously because your patheticly biased.
You suggest we put Jaques in the team for no reason and it also seems that you think you can play 12 players in a team at once. Also you think dropping players down the order has no effect on them, You obviously don't have any clue about cricket. Just get out of this thread no-one cares about Hayden/

 

[evertonfan]

LOL! Hayden the best batsman of this era? I'm sure Tendulkar, Lara, Inzi, Ponting etc would disagree...

Hayden's a fantastic batsman and his bullying talents were second to none, but he's not the best in any era.

 

[aussie_ben91]

I don't care what you think about me because frankly noone else takes your post seriously because your patheticly biased.
You suggest we put Jaques in the team for no reason and it also seems that you think you can play 12 players in a team at once. Also you think dropping players down the order has no effect on them, You obviously don't have any clue about cricket. Just get out of this thread no-one cares about Hayden/

That's fine man, I don't see anyone backing you up anyway. I don't see how criticising Hayden at first in this topic over failing against Bangladesh and then saying you admire Hayden can be seen as biased, what's wrong with having an opinion? You have one even though it may be a little dodgy, wait it's not dodgy, you just haven't got a clue. All I ever see on this forum is you getting corrected. zreh did it, I'm doing it now. Who's going to be the next one to do it? 12 players on a team at once? Pfft. Where'd that come from? When did I ever mention that? You can't go off telling people they don't know nothing about cricket when you yourself know nothing at all. And for god-sake stop trying to be a staff-member. :

 

[langerrox]

That's fine man, I don't see anyone backing you up anyway. I don't see how criticising Hayden at first in this topic over failing against Bangladesh and then saying you admire Hayden can be seen as biased, what's wrong with having an opinion? You have one even though it may be a little dodgy, wait it's not dodgy, you just haven't got a clue. All I ever see on this forum is you getting corrected. zreh did it, I'm doing it now. Who's going to be the next one to do it? 12 players on a team at once? Pfft. Where'd that come from? When did I ever mention that? You can't go off telling people they don't know nothing about cricket when you yourself know nothing at all. And for god-sake stop trying to be a staff-member. :

Okay you can have a Hayden and an opinion but you can't just bring your stupid bias into every discussion. We will be talking about something and then you will decide that 'Hayden is the best' suddenly so just lose your bias and learn how to discuss. Zreh corrected me? your an idiot. you do realise that you were argueing that Hayden was the greatest opening batsman of all time (lol) and he was argueing that Tendulkar was the best even though he isnt an opening batsman, You are just pathetic wdfu. I'm not even going to bother argueing with you anymore because nothing gets through to you, grow up and learn how to discuss without saying your favourite player is the best/

 

[YOTC]

Jaques is a quality player that would walk into any team in the world however he will have to fight for the spot as Martyn is a well established and noted run scorer.

People hate Martyn simply because he is the medias whipping boy, nobody ever notes the great things he has done for Australian cricket. So thats why you will get idiots like this roaming around.

I do rate jaques, he doesn't have enough experience in international level to be saying he won't make it, I remember a certain Martyn that was destined for that same feat.