England in Australia

[valvolux]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/6190632.stm

The 2nd case of it so far, although I don't know whether I'd say CA have a zero tolerance on racism when Sutherland said what Monty recieved wasn't racist. It's a shame when you hear players say "We'll just have to put up with it".

englishandproud - You can't pick Harmy until his action has been corrected, otherwise the longer you leave it the harder it is to re-correct it.

Seasoned but pants.

Christ, anyone and everyone is a racist these days. Just goes to show how English he is - whinging about everything! I think the definition of racism has been lost amongst all this. It's a card you poms have been playing right from the start of this tour - trying to make the Aussies seem like nasty racists - boo hoo, he questioned his heritage, suck it up you big girls and get on with the cricket.

 

[evertonfan]

Christ, anyone and everyone is a racist these days. Just goes to show how English he is - whinging about everything! I think the definition of racism has been lost amongst all this. It's a card you poms have been playing right from the start of this tour - trying to make the Aussies seem like nasty racists - boo hoo, he questioned his heritage, suck it up you big girls and get on with the cricket.

Oh please, you might not like England but that's no reason to be so naive as to think it's not racist.

 

[puddleduck]

Christ, anyone and everyone is a racist these days. Just goes to show how English he is - whinging about everything! I think the definition of racism has been lost amongst all this. It's a card you poms have been playing right from the start of this tour - trying to make the Aussies seem like nasty racists - boo hoo, he questioned his heritage, suck it up you big girls and get on with the cricket.

What a load of tosh, attitudes like that hardly help to remove that image do they?

Fair enough I do actually think that too much is being made of this particular incident, but at the same time it is only being said because of the colour of his skin, so there is an underlying racist tone to it.

Your comment on "it's a card you poms have been playing right from the start" is however verging on appaling. What's wrong with Mahmood and Panesar admitting they have received abuse that goes above and beyond what is acceptable? If nothing is made of racism and it is just swept under the carpet when it does rear its ugly head then things will never change for the better will they?

I also don't think you will find that the team have been doing anything other than reporting the instances as opposed to trying to make a meal out of it, it is the press that will do that.

Anyway, your comments only perpetuate the stereotype that you "whine" is being played like a card. If you had sensibly and reasonbly put foward a point along the lines of had they called Andrew Symonds or Kp not Australian or English respectively it would have been ignored, but there is however a difference, and that is that the line at Mahmood is being said only on the colour of his skin and the same went for Panesar before him.

Deliberate racists? Perhaps not, uneducated, ignorant and burdened by prejudice? Almost certainly.

 

[woodywiss sa sa]

You cannot make the claim that the England players are whinging as Sri Lanka's, Pakistani's and South African test players have in the past claimed to have been racially abuse. So there is obviously something wrong. For you to have the opinion that they are just saying it shows you in an appauling light. Face it, there is racism and they are allowed to tell people if they are abused to stamp it out.

 

[RoboRocks]

JD is ok and better than you're giving him credit. He's a quite accurate offie and he spins it bigger than Giles. Also he brings a genuine batsman to the team and a fantastic fielder also.

Surely that would be a better bargin than Giles then.
If he doesn't take a wicket he can at least keep an end tight while monty takes a wicket from the other en.d
He also as an offie will spin the ball the other way to Panesar which brings both off and legstump rough into play.
I hope the selectors think of him.

 

[barmyarmy]

You cannot make the claim that the England players are whinging as Sri Lanka's, Pakistani's and South African test players have in the past claimed to have been racially abuse. So there is obviously something wrong. For you to have the opinion that they are just saying it shows you in an appauling light. Face it, there is racism and they are allowed to tell people if they are abused to stamp it out.

Absolutely. There are too many similar stories for it to be coincidence. I'm certainly not saying that Aussies are racist but I am saying that decent Aussie fans should be disgusted by racism and try to stamp it out not make excuses for it.

 

[Sureshot]

Christ, anyone and everyone is a racist these days. Just goes to show how English he is - whinging about everything! I think the definition of racism has been lost amongst all this. It's a card you poms have been playing right from the start of this tour - trying to make the Aussies seem like nasty racists - boo hoo, he questioned his heritage, suck it up you big girls and get on with the cricket.

I'm not trying to make the Aussies as a whole seem like racists but there are racist fans in the crowds and there's a history of it. No progress seems to be made though and with views like yours its not going anywhere as you clearly think it's not racist. When Sutherland said he didn't think what Monty received was racial abuse he summed up CA's attitude, if someone in the ECB said that I'd like to think they'd be on their way our the door.

Robo - Yes I think JD is a very good option and I'd be happier him playing than Giles (can't do any worse can he?) and it means we have stronger batting without weakening the bowling (maybe a bit).

 

[puddleduck]

This all despite the fact that JD has a FC bowling average of over 43 (more than Giles test average) and just one five-fer in his entire career. Without doubt the answer to all our problems :

 

[Sureshot]

I'm not saying he should be our only spinner, but of what I've seen of JD there's not much between the two.

Monty>* anyway.

 

[Jaztheman]

Their is munday aswell who can turn the ball aswell and id okay with the bat.

 

[puddleduck]

I'm not saying he should be our only spinner, but of what I've seen of JD there's not much between the two.

Monty>* anyway.

To be fair to you I was being a little misleading He was at Uni for a while and has only become a regular in the last year and half, and in the last season has looked a far improved player to the season before, especially with the ball although with the bat he hasn't perhaps fulfilled his potential yet.

To be honest I'm not sure where this sudden desire to play two spinners has come from, I guess if we really are desperate to lengthen our batting then a spinner it probably is, but what happened to the whole up and at 'em! Seems to be a sudden reverting to, for want of a better phrase, bits and pieces players. I just don't think JD is a test standard bowler or batsman yet so why pick him to do either? To be fair the same criticism could be levelled at Giles with the difference being he will almost certainly never be one as he doesn't have age on his side.

So I certainly agree that Monty should without a doubt be playing, I think the only people who don't are Fletcher, Freddie and Aggers. Unfortunately two of those have a rather large say on the matter

 

[woodywiss sa sa]

Unfortunatly as Is now well known Fletcher has a tremendous bias towards "His Boys" And Sadly for the Team they include Giles and G.Jones. If he doesn't play Panesar he should be sacked. Monty is the best spinner we have had for years and he's come onto the scene and done well. He couldn't really have done much more in his first 10 test for Christ Sake. Although I feel we'll play two Spinners because Fletcher won't drop Giles.

 

[Skater]

For UK viewers, here are the playing times for the series:

Brisbane: 12.00am-7.30am
Adelaide: 12.30am-8.00am
Perth: 2.30am-10.00am
Melbourne: 11.30pm-7.00am
Sydney: 11.30pm-7.00am

 

[manee]

I think it is just about acceptable to drop Monty for the first test, since there was every chance of England winning; and Giles being an integral part. But if Monty gets not picked in the second test Fletcher deserves the sack.

 

[RoboRocks]

The reason JD has an average of 43 is because he started out as a batsmen who bowled a bit.
Since he has joined the England ODI setup he has become a much better bowler.
He has good flight and good varitation in flight.
Turns the ball with good accuracy.

He'd be better use than Giles IMO.