England In India - October 2011/12

[pcfan123]

of course they don't, this is test cricket

 

[Aalay]

of course they don't, this is test cricket

You do realize that you are not funny, right?

 

[SaiSrini]

A test series smashing like this should ideally result in the captain being removed of his captaincy. But will Dhoni be given that treatment? I dont think so. Sacking Dhoni as test captain could be the right way to go. He is a liability in the tests with his keeping and batting, and I feel his captaincy too now is not helping him. Gautam Gambhir is a test match senior now and he should take up test captaincy. He is more of a classical test player than Dhoni and him taking up captaincy would help India better. Dhoni should continue as ODI and T20 captain.

 

[sami ullah khan]

^You do realize he got Indian team to Number 1 test rank? A captain is as good as his team. Its not Dhoni's fault that Zaheer got injured or your ageing batting maestros are finding it hard to cope with the swing and pace of the opposition? India will soon enter a rebuilding phase with the big three expected to fade out in an year or so. MSD is the man who can guide India through turmoil that normally accompanies this phase.

 

[macintosh]

^You do realize he got Indian team to Number 1 test rank? A captain is as good as his team. Its not Dhoni's fault that Zaheer got injured or your ageing batting maestros are finding it hard to cope with the swing and pace of the opposition? India will soon enter a rebuilding phase with the big three expected to fade out in an year or so. MSD is the man who can guide India through turmoil that normally accompanies this phase.

There are no issues with his captaincy, its his favouritism and biased nature which is hurting India,
Harbhajan is in the worst form of his life from past 1 year, but he still sticks with him,

He kept Raina in the test team and gave him so many opportunities both with the bat and ball when there are other better options available,

Murali Vijay got so many chances despite of very poor shot selection and technique.

He and Shrikanth are ill treating players like Dinesh Karthik, Robin Uthappa, Irfan Pathan,etc. and getting their favourites in the team.

Don't you think the recent selection of RP Singh's is enough to prove the selectors and captain's biased nature?
He has not even played FC cricket from last 6 months.

This has to end.

Indian would have anyways lost the series the way England played, but atleast they must have put up a good fight if deserving players were picked,

Harbhajan was just a waste in the first 2 test, so was Raina, Mukund is good but he is picked for the England tour from nowhere for an opener's slot.

They invested a lot in Murali Vijay who doesn't have the proper shot selection to play at the international level, if a deserving candidate was chosen instead of Vijay than he could have played a lot of cricket before the England tour in place of Vijay and would have been ready for the England tour.

They didn't even have a look at what Irfan Pathan can offer in the West Indies tour after the world cup when seniors were rested.

 

[shravi]

Thought twice about getting up early today but at least they're somewhat trying today.

Also, about the whole Raina-CSK-corruption-favoritism issue... I'm pretty sure it has more to do with Duncan Fletcher. He's a bit rigid in his decision making. For example, he doesn't like working on a player's technique and flaws during a series as it might disturb that player further. My thinking is that he has an XI in mind and only changes it when there are injuries.

 

[macintosh]

Also, about the whole Raina-CSK-corruption-favoritism issue... I'm pretty sure it has more to do with Duncan Fletcher. He's a bit rigid in his decision making. For example, he doesn't like working on a player's technique and flaws during a series as it might disturb that player further. My thinking is that he has an XI in mind and only changes it when there are injuries.

As if MSD would just ask Duncan to pick the playing 11,
Raina has nothing to offer as a test cricketer and is a waste on fast pitches,
Why was he picked in the playing 11 in the first place? And it doesn't matter now even if he performs because he has just occupied a place of some other deserving player who would have got the much needed exposure,
and did Duncan advice MSD to make Raina bowl so much?

Don't blame the new coach for all this.

Even he must be disgusted with the selection of players and the resources he is getting.

And this is a lame excuse, why wouldn't he work on a players technique when there are warm up matches, 4 day gaps between tests,etc.

Its just that you don't want to accept the truth because Shrikanth and MSD are involved in it. I can read CSK, Tamil Nadu and South Zone in your profile.
Don't even expect you to accept the truth.

Even m a MSD and CSK fan, but if he is doing something wrong then I will surely point it out.
Because what is wrong, will remain wrong.

 

[shravi]

As if MSD would just ask Duncan to pick the playing 11,
Raina has nothing to offer as a test cricketer and is a waste on fast pitches,
Why was he picked in the playing 11 in the first place? And it doesn't matter now even if he performs because he has just occupied a place of some other deserving player who would have got the much needed exposure,
and did Duncan advice MSD to make Raina bowl so much?

Don't blame the new coach for all this.

Even he must be disgusted with the selection of players and the resources he is getting.

And this is a lame excuse, why wouldn't he work on a players technique when there are warm up matches, 4 day gaps between tests,etc.

Its just that you don't want to accept the truth because Shrikanth and MSD are involved in it. I can read CSK, Tamil Nadu and South Zone in your profile.
Don't even expect you to accept the truth.

Even m a MSD and CSK fan, but if he is doing something wrong then I will surely point it out.
Because what is wrong, will remain wrong.

Really? You're going to tell me what I'm thinking?

I'm done here.

 

[macintosh]

Really? You're going to tell me what I'm thinking?

I'm done here.

This is how people answer when they are proved wrong

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Looking at RP Singh's bowling I remember the time i was bowling with a severe back pain

 

[Sureshot]

Or when you shove words down peoples throats.

Well done India, nice of you to turn up. It's only about 3 Tests too late. Odd innings from Strauss this morning, I felt he just tied himself up a little, he's the kind of player who needs to keep scoring runs. 2 runs from 30 odd balls this morning?

 

[shravi]

Do you want a cookie? Honestly. It's impossible to debate with someone who doesn't even read what you're saying and then says something absolutely baseless and when you don't want to continue the debate because it's just him talking out of his ass, it's because you have no proof...

Nasser Hussain himself was saying that Fletcher is rigid and doesn't like making changes during a series as it disturbs the make-up of the team. He thinks that too many changes with little time to prepare or adjust isn't the way to go during a series.

It's obvious that Raina shouldn't have been selected but it has nothing to do with CSK. It's just a bad selection and another case of selectors thinking that ODI form can be translated into test matches. It's been done by selectors around the world. Indian fans always look for excuses like corruption, politics, favoritism, etc but sometimes you just have to accept that the team isn't good enough or that the other team is better.

 

[Papa_Smurf]

I don't see why the batsmen are getting the stick? Yeah, they've been poor, but that was to be expected from these conditions. All 3 of Pak, Eng and Aus struggled in the same conditions last year, when anything above 200 was considered competitive.

It's the bowlers who have failed to exploit them.

 

[Gurjot95]

Sacking Dhoni as captain is pure BS. For his sake, it's his first series lost as captain and he is a human also. His batting form has also gained from last test. He was the only run scorer in both innings for India in previous match.

 

[macintosh]

Nasser Hussain himself was saying that Fletcher is rigid and doesn't like making changes during a series as it disturbs the make-up of the team. He thinks that too many changes with little time to prepare or adjust isn't the way to go during a series.

But how did Raina enter in the test arena despite of the way he dances on the bouncy pitches? And why is he getting so many overs to bowl?

Its true that Duncan is rigid, but he would never select a flat track bully like Raina for tests against England nor would he include him in the playing 11.
And just because Nasser said it doen't mean that you blame it completely on Duncan.
When he tookover as the coach he had himself passed a statement that he would act more as an advisor and less as a coach.
He is working with a WC winning team, he will not just put his decisions on the team.

Don't give lame excuses

It's obvious that Raina shouldn't have been selected but it has nothing to do with CSK. It's just a bad selection and another case of selectors thinking that ODI form can be translated into test matches. It's been done by selectors around the world. Indian fans always look for excuses like corruption, politics, favoritism, etc but sometimes you just have to accept that the team isn't good enough or that the other team is better.

I congratulated the English fan when England became number 1 and accepted that they were better.

And when it comes to translation of ODI players, then Virat Kohli was in a better form and technically much better than Raina for selection. And the selectors around the world do it, but not with players who can't even defend the ball on fast wickets, he was completely exposed in South Africa where he was just jumping up and down against the pace bowlers.

I m not looking for an excuse for the team's loss, England would have anyways beaten India, I have said it in my previous thread aswell.

And I have always been against these weird selections whether India wins or loses.

RP Singh getting selected without any FC matches in last 6 months
He is bowling like a part timer, he is not even fit to play test cricket currently, and he even gets selected ahead of Munaf who was chosen in the original 16 member squad.

And you say that fans look for excuses of corruption and favouritism

 

[Sureshot]

Well, they do.

RP Singh has looked okay this morning. He's lacking zip, but he's been accurate and I think he'll pick up a wicket or two today.