England In India - October 2011/12

Depends how India bowl, if it's like the KP/Prior partnership, we could be getting 250+ at Tea tomorrow. You'd expect Kumar to do well, but what about Sharma and Harbhajan? Both looked meh in first innings.

I suppose we'll also be a bit more defensive with a declaration, as it is such a good wicket, but I think there's seamer friendly skies around for next two days, which is all that matters at Lord's. Swann could well come in to it as well.
 
Not sure about Harbhajan, but seeing how Sharma bowled in the few overs in the 2nd innings till now, I am backing him to put up a vastly improved performance than what he did in the first innings. I expect Praveen to keep his good show up and do well from his end. I think Dhoni will go for the defensive fields tomorrow to make sure England dont run away at a fast run rate. Bring in those 8-1 fields, I would say and stifle England's scoring.
 
Might work against Strauss and Cook, they can be prone to wafty drives, but with the likes of Trott and in particular KP taking balls from off-side in to leg side, I'd be careful.

If you really want to scare England you'll need 3 wickets in the first hour and they'll go defensive and you'll get a draw.

I'm not expecting this England to be defensive tomorrow when batting (declaring is anothe rmatter).
 
Going by how England have played recently (with lots of aggression), They might well look to get 180-200 by middle of second session and declare leaving India to chase around 400, If India have to bat out 5 sessions its gonna be tough to draw it. Things getting real tough for India as there is no rain forecast too for the next 2 days.
 
If India loses us Indian fans can always use War's template for why India has never deserved a single test win for our own use.

- ____________ is clearly past his peak which was between _____ and _____.
- ____________ is just coming back from injury so he's not in top form.
- ____________ is missing and England definitely wouldn't have won if he was there.
- The selectors are stupid and decided not to pick __________ and if he was there India would have won.
- If the following players from 1950 were there then England would not have stood a chance- _______, ________, _________, ___________, and ____________.

And after stating these staple arguments, we cannot end the post without saying that these are things that the most "erudite" cricket fans would know.
 
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If India loses us Indian fans can always use War's template for why India has never deserved a single test win for our own use.

- ____________ is clearly past his peak which was between _____ and _____.
- ____________ is just coming back from injury so he's not in top form.
- ____________ is missing and England definitely wouldn't have won if he was there.
- The selectors are stupid and decided not to pick __________ and if he was there India would have won.
- If the following players from 1950 were there then England would not have stood a chance- _______, ________, _________, ___________, and ____________.

And after stating these staple arguments, we cannot end the post without saying that these are things that the most "erudite" cricket fans would know.

:lol:clap
 
I'm really liking the look of this English attack. Tremlett with the height and swing, Broad a bit of swing and seam movement and Anderson a ton of swing and Swann to cap it off.
 
Broad returning to form looks like a God-send although he always seems to bowl well at Lords.
Obviously advantage England but this is still a formidable Indian side and we definitely shouldn't be counting chickens.
 
You guys are talking like India has almost lost the match. England are well ahead but that does not mean that they will take the game. They still have to take 10 Indian wickets. In first innings, Mukund, Laxman and Raina all of them threw their wickets away. And somehow Indians always performs well under pressure.
 
India 286....Of which 30 extras...so even if you remove the 12 no-balls & that wide....its a follow-on total ( though England wouldnt have enforced it )

Initially I was thinking that England might declare with an hour's play remaining today. But with no Sehwag....rest assured....England might go at 4 an over today and set India a target of 400-430 in about 4 sessions.
 
Broad returning to form looks like a God-send although he always seems to bowl well at Lords.

He hasn't justified his selection, he has repaid the selectors' faith in him. First time he's taken more than two wickets in an innings in SEVENTEEN bowls/innings.

Well bowled, what happens when you pitch the ball up in helpful conditions. Also the myth about Broad being told to bowl short and be "the enforcer" was dispelled by the selectors/ECB apparently, what they've said is they want Broad to bowl well and take wickets, if he needs to perform the "enforcer role" then he is good at it, but that isn't what he is told to do :rolleyes So it is either Broad resorting to pitching short when he is hit for runs, or weak captaincy - or both :mad

Still, he's given us a good chance in the match, to get a positive result, him and Pietersen's well constructed double. Both 1st innings generally need to be concluded by the close of play on day three and we're there with a sizeable advantage.

Obviously advantage England but this is still a formidable Indian side and we definitely shouldn't be counting chickens.

If you really want to scare England you'll need 3 wickets in the first hour and they'll go defensive and you'll get a draw.

I'm not expecting this England to be defensive tomorrow when batting (declaring is anothe rmatter).

England should be reasonably positive, I reckon a target of 360+ from the last four sessions should be where they are aiming, a tough ask in any 4th innings. If England were going to be defensive then they should have thought twice a few times before declaring their 1st innings, unless they believed they would skittle the Indians as one teletext writer suggested they had.

This may be Strauss' first Test as captain against India, but in 18 previous Tests as captain where England has been 100+ runs ahead on 1st innings England have won 14 times (73.68%) True that wasn't against India, but how often do India a) get bowled out for under 300 in the 1st innings and b) concede a 1st innings lead of nearly 200?


The pitch is still offering quite a bit, if India should get early wickets then England may well be a bit more defensive, but over the course of four hours should be able to at least put on 120-150 runs and establish around a 300 run lead which should enable them to have a slog and declare sometime in the last session - if they aren't bowled out which might be a good thing. Assuming Khan is out of the equation they'll have only two frontline seamers, plus Dhoni who will no doubt cheat away some more overs with time-wasting tactics. I suggest the ICC have a rule that says if the keeper chooses to bowl then the stand in has to stand in for the rest of the session. They definitely need to do something positive regarding time wasting, I still favour the batsmen choosing the bowler until the over rate is on target.



How's Negative Nasser's prediction looking? But for dropped catches and missed chances England might well have wrapped India up for well under 250. I think 300 is about par, Pietersen was just immense and his runs made 40% of our innings like Dravid's made up 36% of India's.

One thing England do need to bear in mind, but not too much, is India have a potentially powerful batting line up. But if they go too negative then they'll toss away a chance to win the game and might not be in such a strong position again in the series. You certainly can NEVER assume dominance in one Test will continue to the next
 
I don't think Indians would just let England run away with a good strike-rate. If our bowlers can't take wickets then negative line outside the leg-stump is always there. And then you can bowl 2 feet outside off and 1 feet down the leg. Bouncers, widish bouncers etc etc......:yes
 
If India loses us Indian fans can always use War's template for why India has never deserved a single test win for our own use.

- ____________ is clearly past his peak which was between _____ and _____.
- ____________ is just coming back from injury so he's not in top form.
- ____________ is missing and England definitely wouldn't have won if he was there.
- The selectors are stupid and decided not to pick __________ and if he was there India would have won.
- If the following players from 1950 were there then England would not have stood a chance- _______, ________, _________, ___________, and ____________.

And after stating these staple arguments, we cannot end the post without saying that these are things that the most "erudite" cricket fans would know.
It's actually funny we are playing this test match without our 2 heavily dependent players. I think without them no one would expect a win against stronger team. Either a draw or loss. Though if we loss this, I won't write any of the above line, instead our poor performance in batting and bowling (esp) barring Parveen and Dravid.

If India had to look for draw, bowlers need to step up and stop bowling wide off stump every time. It will be really challenge how they go with missing their leader and main striker.
 

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