England In India - October 2011/12

Wow, what a match so far. Gutted, absolutely gutted as I couldn't watch a ball bowled today. Dravid is fantastic! Broad has been the man for the English, what a performance!

Hopefully from India's perspective, we can bowl England out quickly and win this one to square the series.
 
Hopefully from India's perspective, we can bowl England out quickly and win this one to square the series.

This partnership is the one that will make or break this test match. If these two manage to survive the opening spells and get us in front you never know, especially with our tail or lack of.
 
This partnership is the one that will make or break this test match. If these two manage to survive the opening spells and get us in front you never know, especially with our tail or lack of.
Yeah, absolutely right. In no ways I'm writing you guys off. I'm aware of England's lower order as well as India's bowling. But, I just hope we do well in this match. We have let go of the advantage already by allowing England to score more than it actually looked like, and then by not building up on the lead which again looked could have been big.
 
The ultimate irony of Harhajan's dismissal is that hotspot could have saved him even without hawkeye. Oh well...

Evenly poised for me with India marginally in front. Going to be tough to score the 300+ we need with the ball nipping around still and Trott unlikely to bat. That said we bat deep and there are still 3 days left in this match.
 
That said we bat deep and there are still 3 days left in this match.

I think we can discount the game going the distance. Fully expect India to be batting again tomorrow the question is how much are they going to be chasing?

England need 230 bare minimum preferably 275ish. Lead that is.
 
Anything over 180 would be a tough total to chase especially in 4th innings given our tail starts at no.5 We better get England under 200 or this match is a goner.
 
If Dhoni wants to maximise his batting value, he should go in to bat when the ball is 30 overs old or more. This way, he can take advantage of an old ball and bat until the new ball comes (if he survives till the new ball, the new ball will anyway gobble him up). Dhoni should go above Raina and Yuvraj (most likely that would be when India have played 30 or more overs in their 2nd innings, hopefully). His technique is completely exposed in test cricket, and he is lucky that his captaincy in ODI and T20 cricket has helped him become test captain too and letting him play all formats.
 
Sad that quite a few online Indian fans in some forums are pouncing on Tendulkar for having a quite series till now. They must remember that the guy who is shining in this series, DRAVID, had a very quiet and shaky 2-3 years before this and yet he never lost hope and has bounced back magnificently. Sachin has had a superlative 2-3 years till now, and I am completely backing him to come good sooner or later this series. The positive and good touch is visible, the runs just need to come.

Hmm, yes I agree. Dravid must be one of the most underrated players in history. They said on commentary that he's faced more deliveries than anyone in Test history. I read the other day he's been involved in more partnership runmaking than anyone in history. Really Dravid does all the hard work softening up the bowling so that king Sachin can come in and sweep up the crumbs :p

And yeah I agree, lay off the negativity Sachin fans. Can't score big all the time (ask Alistair Cook).

A final side issue: is it just me or does EVERY time Tendulkar come out the commentators fall over themselves to say how good he's looking today, or that his feet are moving well etc. I can't think of many Tendulkar innings where he hasn't looked good - that's his appeal, the effortless style and technique. Why is it news when he's looking good?? I can't help wondering that it would be kinda nice to see the end of Sachin, he casts such a shadow over every match he's in. Guys like Dravid deserve more of the spotlight.
 
All of us who doubted or criticised Broad excessively will be eating some humble pie. A tremendous hat trick, even if one was a very bad call (looking at you Erasmus). Broad balled some superb deliveries and has batted as well as anyone so far in this series, could this be Broad's series??
England are in a tough spot, so much time in the game which means they will need a very big lead indeed. I just don't see England's bowling being penetrative on a day 4/5 pitch. Shaping up to be a classic.
 
Wow, what a day of cricket, Broad is just playing out of his mind like the next Botham or something. I would still be pretty worried for England though because even with a big lead I'm not sure how Swann is going to bowl tbh, and Anderson didn't look much chop either.
 
All of us who doubted or criticised Broad excessively will be eating some humble pie. A tremendous hat trick, even if one was a very bad call (looking at you Erasmus). Broad balled some superb deliveries and has batted as well as anyone so far in this series, could this be Broad's series??
England are in a tough spot, so much time in the game which means they will need a very big lead indeed. I just don't see England's bowling being penetrative on a day 4/5 pitch. Shaping up to be a classic.

I withdraw my call for Broad to be dropped immediately, but I'm not eating any of that...mmmm, does look good though!...what was I saying?...oh yes...I'm not eating any...oh all right - just a small serve then
 
I withdraw my call for Broad to be dropped immediately, but I'm not eating any of that...mmmm, does look good though!...what was I saying?...oh yes...I'm not eating any...oh all right - just a small serve then
Lol :D
 
@Owzat - the thing was it wasn't really a 9th wicket partnership. Both Broad and Swann are good enough to bat much higher than that and compared to England tails of the past this one is exceptionally long.

DeFreitas was a capable batsman, Lewis also and Gough, or whoever else I mentioned.

BUT Broad is showing more signs of maturity, quite why he was left to his 'rite of passage' in the England team without, it seems, anyone telling him to pitch up or ship out I don't know. He has the ability to bat seven, so too did quite a few lower order batsmen of the past, it's about application and a few attacking wafts come strokes don't make him a number seven.

If Broad can keep this kind of bowling and form up, well the form might be a bit much to maintain (13 wkts, 140 runs), and he can apply himself with the bat then he could become an all-rounder. He averages 28.69 with the bat overall, but has 992 runs at home @ 41.33 and scores near enough 37 runs per visit to the crease ie it isn't inflated by lots of not outs. Unfortunately away from home he averages just 14.24 with bat and 40.43 with ball, pitching the ball up and applying himself when batting may redress that.



As for this match, well India had 1-1 in their grasp and Broad reduced India from what was heading for well over a 100 run lead to just 67 - with a dodgy hat-trick but then haven't we said all along the Indians can't complain about LBW referrals when they voted against them.

England need to make a strong start, perhaps the most crucial session of the series so far. India will want 2-3 wickets to leave England maybe 30 runs in front with only six wickets in hand, England will want to lose no more than 1-2 wickets and be reaching 150/3 if they can. India showed what a partnership on this pitch can do, no loose shots and England need to try and do the same. One of Strauss or Bell going on to a hundred might help, sadly Strauss is badly out of form and so maybe building a platform for Pietersen to do the damage might be the way to go. If this pair can get England up to any kind of lead and Pietersen can do what he did at Lords, England have a chance.

Despite what Yawn and others on TMS reckon, I'd say England need to set at least a 250 run target, probably 300. This pitch doesn't seem to be getting any easier or harder to bat on, 300 give or take looks about par and England need to sell their wickets dear not cheaply. Spinners have taken one wicket so far, despite Mark Smug and Yawn suggesting there could be turn.

Whoever said about this match being too soon after the last and unfair on the Indians, well they've brought in reinforcements and England are the ones with all the problems. Trott and Swann are both now injured, India's replacements took 3/77 and scored 62 respectively which in the context of the match is no weakness. Swann may or may not have been affected by his injury but bowled 0/79 off 12 and Trott may or may not bat - that's just how it goes.

India's to lose, England need to make most of their innings and have already lost Cook cheaply for the fourth time this series. Trott is bound to be handicapped in his batting, I reckon he will bat but a (left) shoulder injury will make batting difficult. Could be time for a ton from Bell and/or Strauss, or step up Mr Pietersen and show us what you can do.

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All of us who doubted or criticised Broad excessively will be eating some humble pie.

Not at all, the Broad that has bowled this series is a completely different Broad to the "enforcer" (or enfarcer to be precise) that was a passenger in previous series.

He has repaid the selectors' faith in him, as I have said diplomatically in a previous post during the last match, but humble pie isn't on the menu. He also has to maintain the form, he's always been capable of taking wickets and scoring runs at home, no doubt he'll be in the tour party and he has a lot to prove away from home - that he can bowl according to conditions etc

SCJ Broad

Home : 992 runs @ 41.33 (HS 169) & 71 wkts @ 28.70
Away : 299 runs @ 14.24 (HS 44) & 49 wkts @ 40.43

Similar numbers of Tests, just two less away from home than at home. He has bowled only 203 more balls at home than away with vastly different results.

Broad isn't the finished article, when he is those who criticised him will still be right - at the time the criticism was made. Any criticism now can be judged in a different light, unless he reverts to type in which case it will be good guessing. He's had good form before, his problem is maintaining it. The doubt was all of Broad's creation, as was the criticism. Instead of seeking apologies or humble pie eating, he should ask himself 'what if' he'd worked his length out 20-30 Tests earlier....................................
 

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