England Tour Of Australia 2013/14

Finn must have nosed in front now you would think. Hard to justify not picking him off the back of a 5 for when the alternatives have shown no form whatsoever irrespective of economy rates.

Any ideas when Bressy will be ready?
 
I agree that it's a no-brainer if Tremlett and Rankin are just as profligate. I never thought I'd be in the position of wanting Bres back to improve the team.
 
Personally I'd always pick Finn because he has that wicket taking ability. Sure he goes for a few runs, but we were saying similar things about Broad a few years back. He needs to be given the show of faith to let him really settle into his career.

Tremlett is shocking and should be nowhere near the Test team. Such a negative move to pick him rather than Finn.
 
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Exactly i find Finn gets a lot weird stick from ENG about being erratic etc. The man is very talented bowler who is a wicket-taker. Its not like he is like Pakistan's Mohammad Sami, bowling fast and spraying it everywhere.

The fact that many times ENG selectors tended to prefer Bresnan (although he bowled well) over Finn is why people like Shane Warne has somewhat rightfully referred to ENG as a boring/conservative team, even though its very solid and close to being the best test team in the world.
 
I guess it's probably folly to expect to have 4 bowlers not get any stick in a game; you might as well plan for your opposition attacking your third seamer anyway.
 
Personally I'd always pick Finn because he has that wicket taking ability. Sure he goes for a few runs, but we were saying similar things about Broad a few years back. He needs to be given the show of faith to let him really settle into his career.

I agree, he is expensive but the game is about taking wickets and I'd rather bowl a side out for 250 off 50 overs than 300 off 100.

I wonder how much of an influence the stumps thing was in his exclusion for a while.

Tremlett is shocking and should be nowhere near the Test team. Such a negative move to pick him rather than Finn.

he wasn't having a great season which annoyed me. I think he must have pulled it back a bit, but 33.03 in LVCC1 and 40.20 in YB40 are not great bowling averages, his wickets coming about every 10 overs in the LVCC

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The fact that many times ENG selectors tended to prefer Bresnan (although he bowled well) over Finn is why people like Shane Warne has somewhat rightfully referred to ENG as a boring/conservative team, even though its very solid and close to being the best test team in the world.

Broad, Bresnan, Swann, they can all bat. I fear England will lean towards having that second come third string more and ignore the fact that we bat deep enough with six batsmen and a keeper anyway so our bowlers should be picked on that discipline first and foremost.

If Bresnan and Finn are both bowling well then you pick Bresnan, but also Finn offers something different to some of the others so you need to mix it up. I trust England won't try to play five bowlers in the daft belief that more bowlers = more wickets or more chances of taking wickets.

Last time we played five bowler theory down under we limped back having been whitewashed 5-0 and I think didn't make 200 in FIVE innings (I think it was 200, definitely did not make enough runs)
 
Tremlett is shocking and should be nowhere near the Test team. Such a negative move to pick him rather than Finn.

It really is mind boggling how he was selected in the squad over Onions. The thing that surprised me the most is how slow Tremlett has been bowling, I'm sure I remembered him being a lot faster a couple of years ago.
 
It really is mind boggling how he was selected in the squad over Onions. The thing that surprised me the most is how slow Tremlett has been bowling, I'm sure I remembered him being a lot faster a couple of years ago.

Onions certainly deserved to be picked on form & you could say he would be good back-up to Anderson if injured, since he has similarities.

But Tremlett is essentially a gut selection by Flower & the selectors. If he plays & bowls like he did in the last Ashes - it will be inspired & the fact is AUS would be worried if he bowls to form.

Of course though as you said, there is concerns about him pace which & if he still has that nip of 2 years ago.
 
"It might well come down to the one who bowls well in the nets." - David Saker (moments after praising Tremlett's performance in the nets) :rolleyes

Personally it's a no-brainer for me to start Finn. I don't care he goes for a lot of runs, as long as he keeps picking up wickets, which he almost always does.
 
Exactly the problem is that we're picking Tremlett because he was good 2 years ago. His stats on this tour so far are shocking:

Overs: 37
Wkts: 1
Runs: 146
Econ: 3.94

I mean one wicket in two matches and going at 4 an over? Both Rankin and Finn have shown more than that so far. I just don't get it. I mean you even hear rumours that Surrey want to get rid of him, that's how poor he was for most of the summer.
 

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