England Tour Of Australia 2013/14

[MUFC1987]

But he didn't speak out until after he'd been axed. So that obviously wasn't the reason that he wasn't picked in the first place.

 

[War]

But he didn't speak out until after he'd been axed. So that obviously wasn't the reason that he wasn't picked in the first place.

I never said or doubted that he didn't speak out until after he'd been axed, we all know that who has been following the situation - The Ashes 2013 - Nick Compton blasts England for his treatment, saying he didn't get a fair crack of the whip | Mail Online

Just i'm not sure what you are deducing as the reasoning for him being axed initially, because for/to me its fairly straightforward that his pointed criticism at the selectors & Flower (above) had everything to do with Carberry being in AUS now instead of him.

 

[SpitfiresKent]

I really hope we get some cricket today, current forecast is light rain but hopefully it clears in time.

The problem is what do England do? You want KP to get a bat but then at the same time you would like the bowlers to get some overs under their belts.

Personally if it were me having to make that decision I would give the bowlers a full day to bowl as I feel the batting is less of an issue for us.

 

[aussie1st]

If you want to screw the Aussies up then batting on would be the way to go. Clearly they picked a side for the trial of batting spots.

 

[MUFC1987]

I'd have thought the rain was playing into Australia's hands, because the England side is sat indoors, whilst most of the Aussie squad are all playing shield games? I can't see many of this team making the first Test squad.

 

[aussie1st]

Kinda of has but Doolan is probably the one they really would have liked a good look at.

 

[angryangy]

All things considered, I think that was a decent look. He got out to a millimetre perfect delivery, but he was a match for Stuart Broad and the whole time he was just stroking the ball; good execution without exaggerated tactics. You could see from the first over he was in some very fine touch and even though it was only a start and he's not been all that prolific a batsman, you could see the appeal and the hype, why George Bailey once said his only peer in the Tasmanian side was Ponting.

 

[Owzat]

I never said or doubted that he didn't speak out until after he'd been axed, we all know that who has been following the situation - The Ashes 2013 - Nick Compton blasts England for his treatment, saying he didn't get a fair crack of the whip | Mail Online

Just i'm not sure what you are deducing as the reasoning for him being axed initially, because for/to me its fairly straightforward that his pointed criticism at the selectors & Flower (above) had everything to do with Carberry being in AUS now instead of him.

Compton did himself no favours criticising the selectors for his treatment, whether he had a point or not which I lean towards not because you simply can't have an opening partnership that doesn't last five minutes.

I know people on here have pointed to centuries made in games against the kiwis, but there was the Ashes approaching and they couldn't risk a continuation of the weak form he was showing - 54 runs at 9.00. As it happens the decision was vindicated, Root scored 339 runs in 10 innings @ 37.67 while stepping up to the opener spot, and helped himself to three wickets

Compton - last six innings/partnerships

13 vs NZL - 8 run opening partnership, England were 72/5
2 vs NZL - 2 run opening partnership, England were 90/4
16 vs NZL - 43 run opening partnership, England were 67/2
15 vs NZL - 36 run opening partnership, England were 36/2
1 vs NZL - 11 run opening partnership, England were 67/3
7 vs NZL - 72 run opening partnership, England recovered

An averaging opening partnership of 28.67 or which Compton contributed 9 runs. It wasn't like he wasn't spending time at the crease, 224 balls faced in those six innings and yet despite THREE TIMES playing 45+ balls he still couldn't get past 16.

When someone ties themselves up in a knot trying but failing to find form, then the selectors have to make a decision. It was affecting him, the team and he had to go. In 5/6 of those innings England got into difficulty, those positions are not ones England could afford to keep getting into and something had to give.

You could argue Bairstow was lucky, lucky indeed he wasn't opening, but Compton is now 30, Bairstow not long 24 so time on the latter's side. Putting Compton at 29 down the order was not going to make a lot of sense, people point to his two centuries yet don't put two and two together to conclude that actually sets expectations of him higher and room for failure lower - especially at his age.

Bairstow only averaged 29.00 in the Ashes, but chalked up 2/3 of the runs in his first Ashes knock that Compton did in his last six innings, an innings which helped England recover from 124/4 (Root 30, Trott 48) and add 89 runs before he was out to take England to 213/8 before the last two wickets went for just two runs - England eventually won by 14 runs.




Anyway, I am critical of England's openers in this warm up match, should have retired out once they'd reached hundreds, especially Carberry as he'd scored runs in the previous warm up match.

If England didn't do their homework then they need shooting, they should always look at the weather forecast before any game and adjust plans accordingly. You can't know your openers will score hundreds, but you can work out from weather forecasts when they should retire out if the rain does arrive, or at least know how much time you might expect.

Sloppy from England, if players are out of form because others hogged time at the crease then it could prove costly - as could lack of overs bowled by main bowlers. Sure you can't take the weather for granted, but there is no need for centurions to INDULGE in 150s during warm up games. They'll be saying they need a rest next

 

[IanG]

Well rain ruined the Australia A v England match in Hobart. 2 full days lost to the weather.

England have one more warm up match before the first test against and Australian Invitaional XI which was originally suppose to be a game against New South Wales.

 

[angryangy]

I don't think England will lament the missed batting opportunities too much. Cook, Carberry, Trott and Bell have all made unbeaten centuries. Root had a decent knock. They'd really be hoping for Pietersen to get some time in the middle, but it's not for lack of opportunities.

I suspect they'll also feel it was mission accomplished to prevent the Australians from really getting much of a bat, given the Test team's desire to find batsmen rather than bowlers.

On the other hand, they might be a bit nervous about their pace bowlers. They really need to find someone other than Anderson who looks like they know what they're doing. Above all else in the most recent game, they could have sought to bowl longer, instead of obtaining meaningless runs.

 

[War]

Ben Cutting departs from script | Cricket News | England in Australia - The Ashes | ESPN Cricinfo

Australia news : Josh Hazlewood soreness thins Ashes pace ranks | Cricket News | India v West Indies | ESPN Cricinfo

Interesting praise about Cutting, he certainly has been a radar for a while. And you have to wonder now like Pat Cummins if Hazlewood is turning into young versions of Shaun Tait.

Its becoming ridiculous but unfortunate now often these two very talented young quicks are getting injured.

 

[IanG]

I'm getting sick to bloody death of all this micro management that Cricket Australia are implementing and it's making us look like a laughing stock. Problem is the likes of Pat Howard have to justify their position.

 

[MUFC1987]

Prior was pretty poor with the bat and I think his role in 'Team England' is talked up beyond belief, because he's a pretty average wicket-keeper, but saying that, he's light years ahead of Bairstow.

If KP struggles to recover too, we could go in with:

Cook
Carberry
Trott
Bell
Root
Ballance
Bairstow

as the top 7. Now that is a worrying prospect. Has Bairstow learned how to bring his bat down straight yet? Or is he still a walking wicket early in his innings?

 

[SpitfiresKent]

Prior is the best wicket keeper we have in the country at the moment. Who would you rather have?

If both Prior and KP are out for the first test I would still be confident beating the aussies with that top 7

 

[MUFC1987]

I'm not saying he's not the best in the country, because he is and by quite a way. I just mean that even though he's not a brilliant keeper, or a brilliant batsman, he's still a lot better than the likes of Bairstow, who is deemed as the next in line.

I'm trying to say he's good, but not as brilliant as everyone likes to make out. Yet Bairstow would be a poor replacement by comparison.