End Game Explosive Mafia - Endgame Mafia (zwarrior, asprin & RUDOLPH)

[Fake Passport]

Something I missed going through CK's posts, he did mention a top 3.

surendar, RUDOLPH and you. The first two because of wanting to lynch AliB.

That was in response to me directly asking him for a top 3 scum read. The 'you' is referring to me.

 

[surendar]

Something I missed going through CK's posts, he did mention a top 3.


That was in response to me directly asking him for a top 3 scum read. The 'you' is referring to me.

I did reply you during beginning of D3, highlighting that.

CK has attempted 2 days of trying to diffusing correct bomb and he has wasted his attempts going through his vision of suspects.

• CK has suspected me, you and Rudolph. Me and Rudolph because of AliB's lynch. Most likely he has wasted his diffusing attempt on one of these 3

 

[Fake Passport]

My apologies surendar. I missed that too.
If you think he wasted his diffusing attempt, I gather you think Rudi, youself and myself are town. Who do you have as your two remaining scum? Why?

 

[Fake Passport]

OK, I'm off to sleep (close to 3am here).
Mafia Bomb - you minus well do your thing - the entirety of the town seems set and willing to drag this out. Think about it - the sooner you bomb the less chance your boss has to slip up or be found out.

 

[Fake Passport]

^^ and no taking that post as a sign of weakness, I'm more than happy to wait

 

[surendar]

My apologies surendar. I missed that too.
If you think he wasted his diffusing attempt, I gather you think Rudi, youself and myself are town. Who do you have as your two remaining scum? Why?

Quoting my reply on that from Day 2, i.e as of D2.

@zwarrior @Fake Passport (Tagged zwarrior, i noticed him quoting and asking about this & my multi quotes not working properly ) - I did mention in yesterday's post that I observed few instances of "lynching every day as right way to go" and then switch to "No Lynch". It was referring to @PresidentEvil 's post. He made an abrupt switch from "Lynching everyday" to "No Lynch" in one go. You can go back and look through them by yourself.

For the moment, Villain stays on top in my FOS list as all he is doing is to try to frame me up with repeated posts referring to single context again and again. To me, it is bad way of conveying any message and it is an brain-washing attempt. Either he is too excited or, cautious attempt to cause distractions.

From yesterday, @PresidentEvil abrupt switch to no lynch is also FOS for me now, but I haven't seen that much contribution of him here in these discussions to confirm my FOS.

Now updated views of mine for D3 :

PE has not cleared my doubts/clarifications which I quoted him and mentioned as not convincing. There were several follow up questions and I did question him towards end of D2, how does his theory contribute to loss of town as they were leading towards victory for the town. I haven't had an answer, may be because context of D3 where there was too much going on. But going by the way PE has replied till now - "no FOS", "no names to suspect to be honest", "not interested", "people are defensive" etc, everything look very generic and safe play.

Villain - I am going to give him in his favor on D3. He did a brain-wash attempt on D2, he accepted his dragging too much and he picked up so many members trying to connect to me. ZW supported me, Asprin and me are team mates, Rudolph and me are team mates to follow his lead. Going by his theory alone, there are more mafia members in this set up than the game rules say. I did mention somewhere during D2 that, either he is too over excited trying to doubt everything and find something or, he just want confusion to remain. I am giving him in his favor for D3( i.e. want to have a neutral eye on him ) because, I feel that he has fixed me as Mafia in his mind and anything around me is appearing negative. Narrowed vision, I would say. So not concrete enough to claim as scum. If he is going to continue his framing approach, well good luck to him.

Asprin, Rudolph, swacker - They keep the activity going here, which is needed for this kind of set up. Not able to find anything scummy.

FP - Standalone suggestion/strategy provider. Without doubts or hesitation, I started liking no-lynch once I understood what he was trying to say in middle of this game. Definitely, that idea is adding strength to the town. Only thing which is preventing me to have clean read on FP - if he ends up as GodFather, then it was an outstanding gameplay to get the whole town on his back and taking them off one by one. I initially thought he was the K9, when he asked Simon about whether K9's results would go visible to mafia members. But when CK ended up as K9, I did not find something right. To be noted, FP was the only one who provided accurate information of bombing rule when none( including all other 8 members ) of us got it. He is 100% aware of his neighbors and atmosphere here in this game. Too much accuracy always calls for a risk.
As town is getting benefited going by the current situation, I am totally discounting this risk of "What if FP is a godfather" for now.

 

[Fake Passport]

Yea ok now I can't sleep. Just putting thoughts out there to check when on PC, superifically I didn't like the above post.

- Check context of PE's flip of policy. Given surendars flip aswell, need to establish the difference.

- 'ZW supported me, teamed up with asprin and Rudolph'. Check this! ZW was scum...

-Asprin, Rudolph and swacker all clear? Seriously? Not able to find anything scummy? You've found me ever so slightly scummy but can't find anything on any of those 3?

- I'm sure one of the scum will end up someone that created confusion early. I really still don't understand how people screwed up interpretation so badly given what Simon wrote on front page.

 

[surendar]

What did I flip? Well if you don't like it, so be it. That is my town read to my knowledge at this time and I can't change my view because you don't like it. I know I am town and I have every right to think of various scenarios.

 

[RUDI]

ISO: The Fake/Swacker conection Day 1

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Spoiler: Alliance or coincidence?

Heya all and good luck.

First post tip. PresEvil, CK and suerndar are the mafia. Zwarrior and swacker as town aligned PR's.

Game over.

Yes - I'm joking/guessing.

Where you really guessing?

I normally don't like to comment on the setup, its kinda on the scummy end of the spectrum for me. So, possibly incriminating myself...

Stats:
Currently 66% / 33% Town Favor.
Lynch (Flips town) 62.5% / 37.5%
Lynch (Flips scum) 75% / 25% (would mafia let this happen?)

Currently 66% / 33% Town Favor.
1 Mafia Bombs Town (5T 2M) 71% / 29%

What am I missing? Why would we lynch?
I suppose it depends how valuable you consider the K9 and town bomb, but I suggest, why bother lynching? Lets just keep talking and talking and No Lynching and grind the mafia bombs down until they do some work. If they take out a townie our odds kinda increase dramatically. I propose we let the mafia make the first move, that makes:

Day 1 - 6T / 3M - Assume mafia bombs town.
Day 2 - 5T / 2M - Assume mafia bombs town.
Day 3 - 4T / 1M - Mafia have no kill power

Worst case scenario, the 2 bombs kill K9 and Town bomb. That leave a 4/1 Vanilla game, thats still pretty good odds with a few days of talking.
Best case scenario, the 2 bombs kill vanilla townies, That leaves a 4/1 game with k9 and bomb...[DOUBLEPOST=1497362526][/DOUBLEPOST]I am predicating that post on the Godfather not having a nightkill though? or is a godfather kill 'normal' and not 'special'?

FOS CerealKiller?

Seems like a good idea.[DOUBLEPOST=1497363221][/DOUBLEPOST]

yea, was about to ask the situation where we end up losing both K9 and town bomb, can you explain how good the odds are?

Fair enough, let's see how it goes.



wut? I didn't even observe that, so does it mean 'no lynch' is the strategy like Fake Passpart said?

Swacker immediately going with Fake's strategy without any hesitation.

Easy, he just had his opinion in.



How does it make anti-town? With the setup we got, you really think we should nudging around with a lynch? btw, I don't think he is insisting anyone here, he just made a proposal. Either we take it or argue with it, but you calling it anti-town is kinda weird.



What you mean is if he is a goon, he would not get blocked by K9? And without lynch, K9 can't investigate everyday?



Not really, we can totally argue without lynch is what he meant. How else do you think we should play?



Nope, wouldn't recommended the bombing at Day 1, way too risky.



yea true, but it's dumb to play as such. Want to hear more on why you FOS on me earlier?

Backing Fake here. Trying to convince surendar to go with Fake's strategy.

What do you mean?

CerealKiller our K-9 unit (That got bombed) questioning Fake.

It's a giveaway now. But I would think the mafia, if they sensed a scum was going to be lynched, would use a bomb to prevent the lynch, especially if the target of the lynch was a bomb themselves.

They loose someone but take a townie with them.

Obviously it would be risky on their part as it could be too obvious ifbtown was about to lynch godfather but it's something we need to consider.

Fake's response.

I am suspecting Fake for trying to convince us to No Lynch. The way he analyses the Mafia's potential behaviour is particularly suspicious, almost as if he had a better view of things.

Again CerealKiller questioning Fake here...

Don't fall for this people, read back and you will see he asked me a question which all I did was reply. You can bet if I ignored the question he'd be calling for my head aswell

Also, how is advocating for no lynch scummy behaviour? Especially day 1?
Scum have no night kill, they have the ability to kill 2 people with their bombs. Mafia sure as hell need us to lynch...

You don't like the idea.of no lynching, ok people entitled to their opinions. But you should state why. What is your plan? Why is no lynch a bad option?

Fake's response.

It's not the first time you jumped into conclusion, and lynching somebody based on inactivity is bullshit.

btw, your post of "I am okey to get rid of" doesn't help townie in anyway.

From here on Swacker seems to be getting annoyed with surendar for not seeing it "their" way.

@Fake Passport - it's not any time, it's ONE appropriate time. There is a difference.

@swacker - I repeat, I meant what I wrote. Again it's not a set up to encourage inactivity. There is no other way in this game to find the odd man outs other than how you contribute. Yes even if he was town I wouldnt have mind because it eliminates one possibility to think whether he is acting weird because he was mafia or he is just not interested.

Also, when did you notice me that I lynched a player because of inactivity? I haven't played mafia games for ages. You not liking AliB to be lynched despite he adding no value to this game till now is the weirdest thing as if you are aligned with AliB.

surendar still questioning "them"

That was a soft FOS because you lynched me on your opening post. As you'll noticed, I haven't continued with it.
Just a suggestion : The way you are backing Fake since the start makes it appear to me anyway an alliance of some sort?

Here I am questioning Swacker about a possible alliance between the two.

Not backing, I like the idea of not lynching. If we even get to a point where we lynch a townie, and at the same time having a mafia bombing, the odds are going their way.

He's reply.

Can I have a chocolate instead, dad?

Yes my long lost son!

Playing father & son here. Is the chocolate a celebratory drink "dad"? Everyone is on board with Fake's strategy. Suppose asking for champagne would be a little to obvious.

Alright, i'll go through with it just to see if it works or not.

No Lynch.

CerealKiller finally agreeing. But has his stubbornness gone unnoticed?

^ Is quotes that I feel is related to the question: Is Fake Password & Swacker in alliance or not? And if they are, is it a town or goon alliance?
I'll leave it for you all to decide...

@Fake Passport , if you are the godfather getting us all to go with your plan is masterclass.Deserving of a place in the Mafia Hall of fame.

Please note: @swacker and Fake Passport this ISO is not meant as an accusation, but as a question. I've only done day 1 as I am at work today.
Happy father's day Fake & to others here (If not sure if it's only here in South Africa or Internationally)

 

[Fake Passport]

I'm more than happy for people to investigate the hell out of me. Throw any questions at me. Instinctively my reaction is that I have town credit enough that I should leave it alone. But in the interest of stimulating discussion..

Yes - it was a guess about the roles.

Regarding CK - I had no idea about him being K9, he was actually on my scum list. It's all retrospect, but I guess he didn't want to be an advocate of no lynch too obviously, if he was towing the town/scum line it limited his chances of being bombed. If that's the case it was a good play and an even better kill by Z.

Swacker can decide for himself if he wants to respond, I'm not going to put words in his mouth

Thanks for the father's Day well wishes, it's late August here but appreciate it all the same.

 

[Villain]

I'll get back to it and post my thoughts once the match is over.

 

[Villain]

Lynch: Asprin
I don't see him posting anything even after a lot many questioned him plus he got way too defensive while I tried to put some pressure on him. Backing a non-mafia works in the favour and that is exactly what he did with Surendar as he doesn't have him in his hit list. Plus this is getting way too stretched and boring, we may win or lose but I'm ready to take chances.

 

[surendar]

@Fake Passport - would like to know 2 things from you.

1) why you were interested to find out whether K9 diffusing outcome becoming visible to mafia?
As a town I am really not worried about this outcome going to mafia. Simon's write up for next day would have anyway given us all a hint if diffuse was successful. Unless you care of having plan B on same day if bomb gets diffused this really shouldn't matter whether results reach mafia or not. So curious to know why.

2) You clearly mentioned on day 2 that you were planning of having no lynch, why you didn't place no lynch? As you made this idea helping town to be on front foot, you for sure know - soon the majority of no lynch reaches, more the chances of saving K9 to next day which means K9 will have additional day to investigate & bomber cannot activate due to majority. We all know that plan of K9 is to finish his investigation as early as he could and come out claiming them to town.
Here I am not blaming you that you caused this, am curious to know why the master of this idea didn't place the no lynch soon enough.

If you can answer them without saying oh I don't like this above post and all, it would help. Thanks.

 

[swacker]

Playing father & son here. Is the chocolate a celebratory drink "dad"?

haha, that really could have been a good one if I were on either side.

Is Fake Password & Swacker in alliance or not?

I am just backing his idea, probably would have backed if anybody had the same.[DOUBLEPOST=1497805754][/DOUBLEPOST]

You clearly mentioned on day 2 that you were planning of having no lynch, why you didn't place no lynch?

I think if you look back, didn't go for no lynch myself but backed the idea. It's just too obvious I guess?

 

[Fake Passport]

1) Link to post - TBH I dont recall my exact thought process. I was gaming out situations left and right and probably just wanted to confirm the exact intricacies of the role. Unless I missed something, I have no reason to assume that Simon would have given away a deactivation as a clue. I dont get what you mean with your 'Unless' sentence.

2) Link to post I say why in the post and stand by it. You mischaracterise my argument though, aswell as the K9 results. The K9 was, at best, secondary to me, I always wanted to force the hand of the mafia bombs to activate. The more discussion etc the better a chance of having a read on everyone. Sucks that we lost him? Sure. Was it a risk I was willing to take? Absolutely.