Not really, money talks at the end of the day.
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MasterBlaster76
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Yep. If Utd were to be suddenly taken over and have the ability to throw hundreds of millions around, they'd mysteriously become Europe's preferred destination overnight. Then add to that all the history surrounding the club.
thedon5
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Yes there is. Don't get ahead of yourself here, a lot of top attacker aren't going to want to have Valencia, Young, Welbeck and Cleverley around them with David Moyes sitting on the sideline, when they could go to any other top 4 club and have far better players around them with better wages. And yes the manager does matter, why play for Moyes when all of Mourinho, Wenger, Pellegrini and AVB want you?
We'll swap you Glazers for Kroenke how does that sound?
Yeah and United have quite a bit of it right now, and would have more if they got Rooney off the books. I'm sick of this theory that United don't have money - you don't throw around ?36 m for Herrera and ?30 m for Fellaini and Baines when you don't have money.
Yep. If Utd were to be suddenly taken over and have the ability to throw hundreds of millions around, they'd mysteriously become Europe's preferred destination overnight. Then add to that all the history surrounding the club.
If Stoke were to be suddenly taken over and have the ability to throw hundreds of millions around, they'd also mysteriously become Europe's preferred destination overnight
.Your point is invalid anyway. Apart from maybe Veron and Poborsky after the Euros, United have barely signed any established, foreign based top-class players. Even with Fergie at the club.
Most of the big money signings have either been promising young foreign players or established domestic players. Moyes will not be a hindrance in signing these type of players, although the incompetent negotiation team above him might.
Most of the big money signings have either been promising young foreign players or established domestic players. Moyes will not be a hindrance in signing these type of players, although the incompetent negotiation team above him might.
MasterBlaster76
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Precisely. @Don - As for your rubbish about Stoke becoming Europe's favoured destination if they were taken over, are you serious?
What - compared to City or Chelsea? We're in debt, didn't you know...
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hmmm, I sincerely doubt a player offered the same amount of money from both clubs would choose spurs over man u because it meant playing under AVB rather than moyes. that is complete bonkers.
Fergie was never willing to play the game of offering 30m and 300k for a 19 year old and valued premier league experience when shelling out 20m or thereabouts, it's not because man u were getting turned down (their policy was almost identical to Arsenals)
and Pellegrini must be laughing all the way to the bank as he gets over-rated to the hilt. He managed real madrid when they got the signatures of Benzema, Alonso, Ronaldo and Kaka and won sod all with them. Malaga were also bank rolled by a billionaire.
He's not rubbish obviously, but maybe I'll wait until he's won something in europe beyond the intertoto cup, once, 10 years ago, before I put him beside mourinho and wenger.
Fergie was never willing to play the game of offering 30m and 300k for a 19 year old and valued premier league experience when shelling out 20m or thereabouts, it's not because man u were getting turned down (their policy was almost identical to Arsenals)
and Pellegrini must be laughing all the way to the bank as he gets over-rated to the hilt. He managed real madrid when they got the signatures of Benzema, Alonso, Ronaldo and Kaka and won sod all with them. Malaga were also bank rolled by a billionaire.
He's not rubbish obviously, but maybe I'll wait until he's won something in europe beyond the intertoto cup, once, 10 years ago, before I put him beside mourinho and wenger.
MasterBlaster76
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Precisely. A players' choice of football club is about a lot more than just the manager; deep down somewhere inside them despite all the money being offered, all players want to play for a club with great history and tradition: a Man Utd, Real, Barca.
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I have a feeling this adulation of wenger isn't going to last long. Ozil's the sort of signing arsenal fans have been crying out for but he's almost too good. fans are going to be asking why buy a diamond then mount it in a copper crown. (It's not a great metaphor, but I like the ring of it)
they're still not quite in that contenders bracket and they could still use a world class defender or two and probably another sriker, though I'll give Giroud some time, he came with a lot of promise and might be actually forfilling it now. Ozil is the sort of guy you get pushing for the title, but jenkinson and Koscielny are the type of players you stick with if you're not that fussed and they'll struggle at the hint of injury.
they're still not quite in that contenders bracket and they could still use a world class defender or two and probably another sriker, though I'll give Giroud some time, he came with a lot of promise and might be actually forfilling it now. Ozil is the sort of guy you get pushing for the title, but jenkinson and Koscielny are the type of players you stick with if you're not that fussed and they'll struggle at the hint of injury.
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thedon5
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It doesn't take a world class team to challenge for the title, hell it doesn't take a world class team to win the thing either as we saw last season.
I'm not sure what more people could want really...
I'm also sick of these suggestions from all non-Arsenal supporters that ?zil is not what we needed. He is! Not my fault if you don't watch Arsenal! We lacked creativity badly last season, there were games where we created only a few chances in the game. Basically a few weeks after Cazorla arrived, he was found out and all the teams did is put their holding midfielder on him and we were devoid of ideas. Also Cazorla played half the season on the left while Rosicky and Wilshere played as attacking midfielders. He is naturally a winger other than last season where he played as an attacking midfielder and the season before where he played deeper for Malaga. The signing of ?zil frees him up, he will no longer have the entire opposition marking him. In any case Cazorla is out for around a month so this signing has proved very important, as we would've suffered without Cazorla or ?zil. The signing of ?zil is about as unnecessary as the signing of van Persie last season, and how did that turn out?
We absolutely don't need another world class defender, we had the second best defence in the league last season, and that was without a constant CB pairing which we now have in Mertesacker-Koscielny. On paper even I see only Man City having a much better first choice CB pairing. On the flanks we are fine, Sagna appears to be slowing down a bit otherwise it's not a problem. How many teams in the league have even one world class defender, let alone two!?!? Your definition of world class must be pretty loose.
I think where we are lacking is in squad depth, our squad is already down to barebones. We have two players in every position, but already our squad is stretched to the wire and our bench is absolutely awful, worse than midtable sides. Our bench was Fabianski, Vermaelen, Monreal, Frimpong, Miyaichi, Gnabry, Akpom. The latter four are barely first-team players, and while all barring Frimpong are top class talents, they're not good enough when you see guys like Wilian unable to even make the bench for Chelsea. Mind you we have almost a full XI of injured players. Basically what we need is a pacy striker to compete with Giroud like Luis Muriel (or a world-class one wouldn't do too badly), as well as a 4th choice choice CB like Matthias Ginter. That's it. Maybe one more midfielder or winger if you're greedy. The striker is proving to be a big miss, every time Giroud goes down you have to worry and it looks like he injured himself at Sunderland.
Looking at the league this season, there is no team that is significantly stronger than the rest. We have been the best team in the league so far this season with maybe Liverpool, I see it being a free-for-all between the top 6. The two Manchester clubs have been poor, Chelsea were so unimpressive (but will surely improve) and Spurs looked really good against Norwich. There will always be favourites and there are reasons why each team could and couldn't win the title but IMO it's pretty even from where we stand now.
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I don't think van persie to man u and ozil can be compared in any way, van persie was essential to man u as he provided a consistent goal scoring threat against the lower teams that tried to park the bus. He was to powerful and too smart for the bottom half teams to keep out, hence man u racked up way more points than anyone against those teams. Plus man u were trying to tip the scales to winning the league from losing it on goal difference, Arsenal are looking for someone that can swing a 16 point gap between them and the leaders.
However next to man u in terms of consistently beating the lower teams was Arsenal, if they had managed to pull a decent haul of points off the other top 4 teams they'd have run man u close for second, they however managed to only beat tottenham and were the whipping boys whenever a good squad was put out in front of them.
Now, I wasn't saying Ozil wasn't what arsenal need as in another single player was needed, but they are clearly not in the same weight range as the other big teams yet and I don't see Ozil completely changing their approach, i.e. sitting back and countering, fine against hull, but when mata, silva, van persie, navas, oscar, hazard, rooney are going to get loads of time on the ball... not so good. in my opinion they sit back to put less responsibility on dodgey defenders, they ask much less of their full backs than man u, city or chelsea and their CBs are just lugs to head it away, that's how I see it, fair enough if you don't think this is the problem, you are agreeing that they do need things though. on the pitch too, not just a deeper bench.
I'd obviously give them a chance if Giroud stays fit and has become a significantly more lethal finisher, but I still reckon Arsenal are short and won't pick up many points against the big guns which puts them out the running.
MasterBlaster76
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Well... he never said when, did he?
In all seriousness though, we should forget about him now. No point forking out ?80m or whatever when he's 33...
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thedon5
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He never said, that, you did all summer though.
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thedon5
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It was seen from the outside as a particularly unnecessary signing when they needed a midfielder more, as they had Kagawa to play behind Rooney already (which could've been just as good IMO as Rooney would've kept his form and Kagawa would've shown his class), plus Welbeck and Hernandez, also Berbatov. But it was seen as one that would add them a huge amount of quality.
?zil is being seen as a similar signing, completely unnecessary from the outside but in reality he is top class and in any case we do need him. Now that need is underlined with Cazorla out for a month, if we didn't have either of them we'd create about one chance per game.
As for the rest you have said, I seriously doubt that you regularly watch Arsenal... You think we are fine against park the bus teams? We are absolutely not. We always struggle against the likes of Stoke and Sunderland. All they needed to do was put a man on Cazorla and we were almost devoid of creativity as Wilshere wasn't at his best, and neither Podolski nor Walcott could create, not to mention Gervinho the donkey. Cazorla being the player he is obviously still created chances even when he was heavily marked but it certainly reduced it. Now they'll all be on ?zil, and with ?zil's movement it won't be a problem and it'll free up Cazorla. I'd say for the first time in many years we can actually put away park the bus teams consistently and we can actually win against the lower teams.
We never beat the lower teams, that is one of our biggest problems. Man Utd are far, far, far better at that and so are the other top teams. It is only towards the end of last season where we had a brilliant run that we managed to see all the smaller teams off. I struggle to see why Chelsea and Man City are seen as title challengers then, two points and five points ahead of us respectably, I guess we'll hand over the title to Man Utd then since they were 14 and 11 points behind them too?
I absolutely don't think we have a perfect squad, not even close, or a perfect team. Now again I think you are misinformed, our deep midfield spots aren't perfect but Ramsey and Arteta are certainly capable of shutting out top players. Sagna does a lot defensively, he's consistently been the best defensive RB in the league for many years now, just needs to stay away from those broken legs. Not sure what's wrong with Mertesacker and Koscielny. Do I need to repeat the statistic that we had the second best defence in the league last season, mainly thanks to having Mertesacker, Koscielny and Sagna all available to play?
Btw I see you listed Navas. He will undoubtedly take a long time to adjust, he is so far comfortably the worst buy in the window so far IMO. He is so bad right now. Seems scared to dribble, loses the ball a tonne and is failing to put in crosses or shots.
thedon5
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Technically he'd cost a grand ?0 m at 33. Won't be the same player he is today at 33 as he'll have probably lost his physical ability particularly his pace, but he'll still be world class.
Still think Bale will fail and go to United prior to the 15/16 or 16/17 season.
Still think Bale will fail and go to United prior to the 15/16 or 16/17 season.
